Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-18 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Mar 16, 2015, at 3:14 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: [Sorry for the reply-chain breaking; Gmail is being super weird about your message in particular, and won't let me reply directly to it. Some bug.] Karl Dubost said: The intersection seems to be: ['a', 'style',

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-18 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@apple.com wrote: On Mar 16, 2015, at 3:14 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: Karl Dubost said: The intersection seems to be: ['a', 'style', 'script', 'track', 'title', 'canvas', 'source', 'video', 'iframe', 'audio', 'font']

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-18 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Mar 18, 2015, at 2:19 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@apple.com wrote: On Mar 16, 2015, at 3:14 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: Karl Dubost said: The intersection seems to be: ['a', 'style', 'script',

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-16 Thread Brian Birtles
On 2015/03/14 9:41, Karl Dubost wrote: Tab, The only conflicts in the namespaces are font (deprecated in SVG2), script and style (harmonizing with HTML so there's no difference), and a (attempting to harmonize API surface). *If* I didn't make any mistakes (I quickly did and didn't check

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-16 Thread Benjamin Lesh
Could you post the specific regression you ran into? Specifically this was around platform development. Let's say I have my developers (those that use my platform) all define their templates in template/ tags. This is used for all components, including components that are partials or are

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-16 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
[Sorry for the reply-chain breaking; Gmail is being super weird about your message in particular, and won't let me reply directly to it. Some bug.] Karl Dubost said: The intersection seems to be: ['a', 'style', 'script', 'track', 'title', 'canvas', 'source', 'video', 'iframe', 'audio',

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-14 Thread Austin William Wright
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Benjamin Lesh bl...@netflix.com wrote: For my part, I disagree slightly with this statement. If you just drop a circle tag in a div, you're going to get an HTMLUnknownElement. This is by design and to spec, of course. But it unfortunately means you can't

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-13 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Unless the SVG WG is willing to drop support for script![CDATA[...]]/script. But that seems like it'd break a lot of content. Like, on the same line? Because I recall that sort of thing showing up in old HTML tutorials,

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-13 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:07 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Benjamin Lesh bl...@netflix.com wrote: What are your thoughts on this idea? I think it would be more natural (HTML-parser-wise) if we special-cased SVG elements, similar to how e.g.

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-13 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Benjamin Lesh bl...@netflix.com wrote: I agree completely, Tab, but it's actually too late to stop forcing authors to think about namespaces, the fact I currently have to think about it is the source of this suggestion. You have to think about it today *because

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-13 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:07 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-13 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:07 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Benjamin Lesh bl...@netflix.com wrote: What are your thoughts on this idea? I think it would be more natural

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-13 Thread Benjamin Lesh
I agree completely, Tab, but it's actually too late to stop forcing authors to think about namespaces, the fact I currently have to think about it is the source of this suggestion. The merging of namespaces is the ideal solution, no doubt, but it's probably not a realistic solution in the short

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-13 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:07 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Benjamin Lesh bl...@netflix.com wrote:

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-13 Thread Karl Dubost
Tab, The only conflicts in the namespaces are font (deprecated in SVG2), script and style (harmonizing with HTML so there's no difference), and a (attempting to harmonize API surface). *If* I didn't make any mistakes (I quickly did and didn't check everything.) The intersection seems to be:

template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-12 Thread Benjamin Lesh
I'd like to propose that the template tag have a namespace= attribute that allows the user to specify namespaces such as http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;, so that the document fragment that comes from `.content` is created properly. e.g.: template id=my-svg-template

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-12 Thread Robin Berjon
On 12/03/2015 11:07 , Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Benjamin Lesh bl...@netflix.com wrote: What are your thoughts on this idea? I think it would be more natural (HTML-parser-wise) if we special-cased SVG elements, similar to how e.g. table elements are

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-12 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:13 AM, Robin Berjon ro...@w3.org wrote: On 12/03/2015 11:07 , Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Benjamin Lesh bl...@netflix.com wrote: What are your thoughts on this idea? I think it would be more natural (HTML-parser-wise) if we

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-12 Thread Benjamin Lesh
FWIW: Currently, template tags nested in svg are SVGElement, and not HTMLTemplate Element. You also need to hide the SVG container or it will be rendered. On Mar 12, 2015 8:18 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@apple.com wrote: By

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-12 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@apple.com wrote: By special casing, do you mean to recognize SVG element names? Yeah, not really sure there's another way of doing it. (You can of course put things within svg, but then you could also put tbody in table...) I'd prefer

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-12 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Adam Klein ad...@chromium.org wrote: For clarity, is this significantly different from the below (which works today)? template id=tmpl svg circle .../ /svg /template Clearly there's an extra step here, in that accessing the SVG elements requires

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-12 Thread Adam Klein
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Adam Klein ad...@chromium.org wrote: For clarity, is this significantly different from the below (which works today)? template id=tmpl svg circle .../ /svg

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-12 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Adam Klein ad...@chromium.org wrote: Is your thinking that adding special-casing for SVG-looking (as in, tag names appearing in the list of SVG tags but not in the list of HTML tags) inside template has fewer compat risks than a wholesale change of the HTML

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-12 Thread Adam Klein
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Benjamin Lesh bl...@netflix.com wrote: I'd like to propose that the template tag have a namespace= attribute that allows the user to specify namespaces such as http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;, so that the document fragment that comes from `.content` is created

RE: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-12 Thread Travis Leithead
WG Subject: Re: template namespace attribute proposal On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Benjamin Lesh bl...@netflix.commailto:bl...@netflix.com wrote: I'd like to propose that the template tag have a namespace= attribute that allows the user to specify namespaces such as http://www.w3.org/2000

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-12 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Benjamin Lesh bl...@netflix.com wrote: What are your thoughts on this idea? I think it would be more natural (HTML-parser-wise) if we special-cased SVG elements, similar to how e.g. table elements are special-cased today. A lot of template-parsing logic is set up

Re: template namespace attribute proposal

2015-03-12 Thread Benjamin Lesh
So much of the rest of how SVG/MathML are handled in HTML is seamless by design. For my part, I disagree slightly with this statement. If you just drop a circle tag in a div, you're going to get an HTMLUnknownElement. This is by design and to spec, of course. But it unfortunately means you can't