Re: [Widgets] Widget Gallery RSS like sharing format

2009-03-18 Thread Robin Berjon
On Mar 17, 2009, at 13:24 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Agreed. Thinking forward, how do you recommend we identify version 2.0 of the widget configuration file format (or should we just cross that bridge when we get to it?) ? Personally, I would recommend that we don't :) Version identifiers are

Re: [Widgets] Widget Gallery RSS like sharing format

2009-03-18 Thread Andrew Welch
2009/3/17 Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com: On Mar 17, 2009, at 13:24 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Agreed. Thinking forward, how do you recommend we identify version 2.0 of the widget configuration file format (or should we just cross that bridge when we get to it?) ? Personally, I would recommend

Re: [Widgets] Widget Gallery RSS like sharing format

2009-03-18 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: On Mar 17, 2009, at 13:24 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Agreed. Thinking forward, how do you recommend we identify version 2.0 of the widget configuration file format (or should we just cross that bridge when we get to it?) ?

Re: [Widgets] Widget Gallery RSS like sharing format

2009-03-18 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Andrew Welch andrew.j.we...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/17 Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com: On Mar 17, 2009, at 13:24 , Marcos Caceres wrote: Agreed. Thinking forward, how do you recommend we identify version 2.0 of the widget configuration file format (or should we

Re: [Widgets] Widget Gallery RSS like sharing format

2009-03-18 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Andrew Welch andrew.j.we...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. Changing the namespace is a bad idea. I didn't get the sense that this is what Robin was suggesting, however. I was referring to this part: If at some point we make breaking changes, then we just change

Re: [Widgets] Widget Gallery RSS like sharing format

2009-03-18 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Andrew Welch andrew.j.we...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I would recommend that we don't :) Version identifiers are largely useless and experience shows that users use them wrong (e.g. a bunch of SVG out there that's labelled as 1.1 is really 1.2, but people

Re: [Widgets] Widget Gallery RSS like sharing format

2009-03-18 Thread Andrew Welch
I agree. Changing the namespace is a bad idea. I didn't get the sense that this is what Robin was suggesting, however. I was referring to this part: If at some point we make breaking changes, then we just change the namespace. -- Andrew Welch http://andrewjwelch.com Kernow:

Re: [Widgets] Widget Gallery RSS like sharing format

2009-03-18 Thread Andrew Welch
Personally, I would recommend that we don't :) Version identifiers are largely useless and experience shows that users use them wrong (e.g. a bunch of SVG out there that's labelled as 1.1 is really 1.2, but people just copy-paste the root element). Agreed. This is the reason we did not

Re: [Widgets] Widget Gallery RSS like sharing format

2009-03-18 Thread Marcos Caceres
On 3/18/09 9:52 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Andrew Welchandrew.j.we...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I would recommend that we don't :) Version identifiers are largely useless and experience shows that users use them wrong (e.g. a bunch of SVG out there that's

Re: [Widgets] Widget Gallery RSS like sharing format

2009-03-18 Thread Andrew Welch
I think that is what we are doing. By not including a version identifier, we remove the temptation to make backwards incompatible changes protected by a version switch. Those are the type of changes that are harmful since they require more complex authoring than much of the web seems to use.

Re: [cors] Redirects

2009-03-18 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:56:52 +0100, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:50:21 +0100, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: * cross-origin request with preflight, actual request If we want to follow redirects here at all we can only do it for requests that

Re: [Widgets] Widget Gallery RSS like sharing format

2009-03-18 Thread Robin Berjon
On Mar 18, 2009, at 09:35 , Andrew Welch wrote: Are you sure changing the namespace is preferable to a version attribute? Seems very drastic, and usually it's best to avoid doing it as it makes all tools that process existing markup redundant. I didn't say that changing the namespace should

Re: [Widgets] Widget Gallery RSS like sharing format

2009-03-18 Thread Andrew Welch
Hi Robin, The idea is that in version 1.1, 1.2, perhaps even 2.0, 3.0 we just add elements and attributes, and when they are not understood they are simply skipped. Ok, but you do of course open yourself up to typos not revealing themselves until quite far down the line (after parsing anyway)

[widgets] options on features

2009-03-18 Thread Marcos Caceres
It might be good to add an options element on the feature element to allow options to be set for features using name-value pairs. For example: feature name=http://clothing.com/api; option name=fancy value=pants/ option name=color value=green/ /feature Thoughts? comments? Kind

Re: [widgets] options on features

2009-03-18 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Marcos Caceres marc...@opera.com wrote: It might be good to add an options element on the feature element to allow options to be set for features using name-value pairs. For example: feature name=http://clothing.com/api;        option name=fancy value=pants/  

Re: [Widgets] Widget Gallery RSS like sharing format

2009-03-18 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Andrew, On Mar 18, 2009, at 13:34 , Andrew Welch wrote: The idea is that in version 1.1, 1.2, perhaps even 2.0, 3.0 we just add elements and attributes, and when they are not understood they are simply skipped. Ok, but you do of course open yourself up to typos not revealing themselves

Re: [widgets] options on features

2009-03-18 Thread Robin Berjon
On Mar 18, 2009, at 15:38 , Marcos Caceres wrote: It might be good to add an options element on the feature element to allow options to be set for features using name-value pairs. For example: feature name=http://clothing.com/api; option name=fancy value=pants/ option

Re: [widgets] options on features

2009-03-18 Thread Max Froumentin
Marcos Caceres marc...@opera.com writes: It might be good to add an options element on the feature element to allow options to be set for features using name-value pairs. For example: feature name=http://clothing.com/api; option name=fancy value=pants/ option name=fancypants/option

[widget-digsig] zip relative path update

2009-03-18 Thread Frederick Hirsch
Marcos Regarding the requirement for validity checking zip relative paths in widget signature [1] references, does the following change make sense to you?: Change last paragraph in section 5.1, Use of XML Signature in Widgets to (only last sentence is changed, to two new sentences):

Splitting out sections from HTML5

2009-03-18 Thread Ian Hickson
I've now split out the Server-sent Events and Storage APIs out of HTML5, and I've removed the text for Web Sockets, which was split out earlier. By popular demand I've also done some tweaks to the styling of these specs. HTML5 http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/ Server-Sent Events

[widget-digsig] proposed change to 7.1, common constraints, for algorithms

2009-03-18 Thread Frederick Hirsch
Mark One issue you raised was that we have MUSTS on algorithms in the processing rules in section 7.1, but allow other algorithms in the algorithm section with MAY. After our previous email exchange, I suggest the following changes to section 7.1 in Widget Signature [1] to address this

Re: [widget-digsig] zip relative path update

2009-03-18 Thread Thomas Roessler
I wonder what the interaction between this and a manifest approach for URI dereferencing would be. I could argue the case both ways, but would be interested in your thoughts. -- Thomas Roessler, W3C t...@w3.org On Mar 18, 2009, at 20:53, Frederick Hirsch frederick.hir...@nokia.com

[widgets-digsig] Updated 5.1 with revised Reference constraint text

2009-03-18 Thread Frederick Hirsch
I have updated the Widgets Signature editors draft, section 5.1 (use of xml signature) with revised text for Reference constraints. This is revised from what I proposed on list earlier as I tried to make the two cases clear (and disallow other random external references): I replaced:

[widget-digsig] changed widget signature files processing rule in section 4

2009-03-18 Thread Frederick Hirsch
I have updated the latest Widget Signature editors draft section 4 (locating and processing digital signatures) to no longer require the first signature to be processed. http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-digsig/#locating-signatures The language is now (numbering ok in draft): Process the

Re: [XHR2] Upload progress events and simple cross-origin requests

2009-03-18 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Alexey Proskuryakov a...@webkit.org wrote: Per the current XHR2 spec draft, upload progress events are not sent if the cross-origin request didn't do preflight. What is the rationale behind this requirement? I used to think that this was necessary to prevent

Re: Splitting out sections from HTML5

2009-03-18 Thread Jonas Sicking
Great stuff Ian! This is something I think a lot of people, me included, is happy to see happening! Of course I'd like to see even more stuff split out (*cough* window *cough*), but I won't whine about it until I have an editor or draft to propose :) / Jonas On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:55 PM,