Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread Takeshi Yoshino
Is new XHR spec going to make gzip mandatory for its underlying HTTP? On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 06:05, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.comwrote: From the discussion here, it sounds like there are problems with WebSockets compression as currently defined. If that's the case, it might be

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:35:03 -0700, Takeshi Yoshino tyosh...@google.com wrote: Is new XHR spec going to make gzip mandatory for its underlying HTTP? I do not think that analogy makes sense. The WebSocket protocol can only be used through the WebSocket API, HTTP is prevalent in more places.

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread Takeshi Yoshino
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 00:06, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 03:35:03 -0700, Takeshi Yoshino tyosh...@google.com wrote: Is new XHR spec going to make gzip mandatory for its underlying HTTP? I do not think that analogy makes sense. The WebSocket protocol can

[CORS] Does Origin have to be included in the Access-Control-Request-Headers field?

2011-07-27 Thread Vladimir Dzhuvinov
Hi guys, I'm the maintainer of CORS Filter, a small library for retrofitting Java web apps with CORS support. A developer who is using the library reported that the library was unexpectedly denying CORS requests from version 13 (still in beta) Google Chrome browsers. He contacted Google support

Re: [CORS] Does Origin have to be included in the Access-Control-Request-Headers field?

2011-07-27 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Vladimir Dzhuvinov vladi...@dzhuvinov.com wrote: Hi guys, I'm the maintainer of CORS Filter, a small library for retrofitting Java web apps with CORS support. A developer who is using the library reported that the library was unexpectedly denying CORS

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:49:57 -0700, Takeshi Yoshino tyosh...@google.com wrote: What do you mean by more places? XMLHttpRequest is not the sole API for HTTP, there's also a, form, etc. So indicating what parts of the HTTP protocol are mandatory for browsers is not really in scope for

[Reminder]: Last Call Working Drafts transition announcement of the API for Media Resources 1.0

2011-07-27 Thread Thierry MICHEL
Le 12/07/2011 20:00, Thierry MICHEL a écrit : Chairs and Team Contact, (1) This is a 2nd Last Call Working Draft Transition Announcement for the following Recommendation Track specification: (2) Document Title and URI * API for Media Resources 1.0

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread Takeshi Yoshino
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 02:03, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:49:57 -0700, Takeshi Yoshino tyosh...@google.com wrote: What do you mean by more places? XMLHttpRequest is not the sole API for HTTP, there's also a, form, etc. So indicating what parts of the

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:04:09 -0700, Takeshi Yoshino tyosh...@google.com wrote: So, let me correct my text by s/XHR/HTML5 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5//. HTML5 is mostly transport-layer agnostic. I am not sure why we are going through this theoretical side-quest on where we should state what

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread イアンフェッティ
We are talking about it at IETF81 this week. That said, I think either way browsers should not require deflate-stream. I am hoping we can make forward progress on deflate-application-data ( http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tyoshino-hybi-websocket-perframe-deflate-01). If we can get that through

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread James Robinson
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.comwrote: We are talking about it at IETF81 this week. That said, I think either way browsers should not require deflate-stream. I am hoping we can make forward progress on deflate-application-data (

Re: [CORS] Does Origin have to be included in the Access-Control-Request-Headers field?

2011-07-27 Thread Vladimir Dzhuvinov
On 27 July 2011 17:44, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Vladimir Dzhuvinov vladi...@dzhuvinov.com wrote: Hi guys, I'm the maintainer of CORS Filter, a small library for retrofitting Java web apps with CORS support. A developer who is using the library

Re: [CORS] Does Origin have to be included in the Access-Control-Request-Headers field?

2011-07-27 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:19:26 -0700, Vladimir Dzhuvinov vladi...@dzhuvinov.com wrote: I carefully examined the bits of the CORS spec (edition http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-cors-20100727/ ) relevant to the Access-Control-Request-Header. Could you please review

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread イアンフェッティ
I don't think we want to forbid any extensions. The whole point of extensions is to allow people to do something that doesn't necessarily have consensus by a broad enough group to be in the base protocol. That said, I think a lot of people would be happier if deflate-stream were an independent

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread James Robinson
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.comwrote: I don't think we want to forbid any extensions. At the protocol level, sure. At the API level we have to pick which functionality user agents are required to support and which they are required not to support, having

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread イアンフェッティ
I agree we shouldn't require deflate-stream it in the API. I don't agree the API should specify an exact set of extensions, as that would prevent any future versions/developments. A minimum baseline would be reasonable though, once we have that minimum baseline in place (e.g. a stable set of

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:31:28 -0700, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com wrote: I agree we shouldn't require deflate-stream it in the API. I don't agree the API should specify an exact set of extensions, as that would prevent any future versions/developments. A minimum baseline would be

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Ian Fette (�~B��~B��~C��~C~U�~B��~C~C�~C~F�~B�) wrote: I agree we shouldn't require deflate-stream it in the API. I don't agree the API should specify an exact set of extensions, as that would prevent any future versions/developments. A minimum baseline would be

Re: [websockets] Making optional extensions mandatory in the API (was RE: Getting WebSockets API to Last Call)

2011-07-27 Thread Greg Wilkins
On 27 July 2011 20:35, Takeshi Yoshino tyosh...@google.com wrote: (a) it's not acceptable to make support (== request) of good-compression optional I understand the desire to make good compression universal, but I'm not sure that making it a required part of the specification is the way to go.

RE: From-Origin FPWD

2011-07-27 Thread Hill, Brad
-Original Message- From: public-webapps-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-webapps-requ...@w3.org] On Behalf Of Anne van Kesteren Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 8:09 AM To: WebApps WG Subject: From-Origin FPWD Hi, The WebApps WG published the From-Origin header proposal as FPWD:

Re: HTTP, websockets, and redirects

2011-07-27 Thread Adam Barth
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Gabriel Montenegro gabriel.montene...@microsoft.com wrote: Thanks Adam, By discussed on some  mailing list, do you mean a *W3C* mailing list? A quick search turned up this message: But I'm totally fine with punting on this for the future and just disallowing

RE: From-Origin FPWD

2011-07-27 Thread Hill, Brad
I'm still not convinced that implementing this as a feature of the User Agent benefits the user or is the most appropriate technology for addressing the problem statements in the specification. What are the use cases where a user is better off if their browser obeys From-Origin than if it does

[Bug 13162] The notes really do need to be cleaned up to be made explicit. Like WTH does this actually say? The fail the WebSocket connection algorithm invokes the close the WebSocket connection a

2011-07-27 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13162 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson i...@hixie.ch changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED