Re: RfC: LCWD of Progress Events; deadline September 1

2011-09-05 Thread Cyril Concolato
Le 02/09/2011 15:32, Arthur Barstow a écrit : Cyril - unless we hear otherwise from you, we will assume you are satisfied with the way your comments have been addressed: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/progress/ Anne - assuming Cyril is agreeable with the way his comments were addressed,

Re: Fwd: Re: CfC: new WD of Clipboard API and Events; deadline April 5

2011-09-05 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:47:08 +0200, Hallvord R. M. Steen hallv...@opera.com wrote: Also, scripts shouldn't be able to call clearData() during copy/cut events, correct? Why not? Is it useful in any other context? It can be abused to prevent copy and paste from a site. But maybe there are

Re: Fwd: Re: CfC: new WD of Clipboard API and Events; deadline April 5

2011-09-05 Thread Hallvord R. M. Steen
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:44:13 +0200, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:47:08 +0200, Hallvord R. M. Steen hallv...@opera.com wrote: Also, scripts shouldn't be able to call clearData() during copy/cut events, correct? Why not? Is it useful in any other

Re: Fwd: Re: CfC: new WD of Clipboard API and Events; deadline April 5

2011-09-05 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:13:35 +0200, Hallvord R. M. Steen hallv...@opera.com wrote: As in LINK rel=prefetch and LINK rel=stylesheet? Yes. But this would apply to img too of course; maybe they can become a blob URL or some such? -- Anne van Kesteren http://annevankesteren.nl/

[Bug 12434] Spec doesn't match IE when calling insertAdjacentHTML with position afterend or beforebegin on head or body

2011-09-05 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12434 Ms2ger ms2...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|

Re: [Clipboard API] setData description

2011-09-05 Thread Hallvord R. M. Steen
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 01:33:40 +0200, João Eiras jo...@opera.com wrote: The description for DataTransfer.setData [1] says: Calling setData() from a paste event handler must not modify the data that is inserted, and must not modify the data on the clipboard. That second phrase is very

Re: [Clipboard API] setData description

2011-09-05 Thread João Eiras
That second phrase is very confusing. Isn't it the objective of listening to cut/copy events, to possibly prevent the default action and set the data calling setData, therefore changing clipboard contents ? Yes, but not *paste* events. Pasting should never alter the data on the

Re: [Clipboard API] Copy to clipboard

2011-09-05 Thread Hallvord R. M. Steen
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 02:14:10 +0200, João Eiras joao.ei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi ! The spec for setData [1] states that this method when calling from a cut/copy event sets new data on the clipboard. Unfortunately, this is insufficient to implement the typical copy to clipboard button It

Re: Fwd: Re: CfC: new WD of Clipboard API and Events; deadline April 5

2011-09-05 Thread Hallvord R. M. Steen
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:14:27 +0200, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:13:35 +0200, Hallvord R. M. Steen hallv...@opera.com wrote: As in LINK rel=prefetch and LINK rel=stylesheet? Yes. But this would apply to img too of course; maybe they can become a blob

Re: [Clipboard API] setData description

2011-09-05 Thread Hallvord R. M. Steen
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:45:07 +0200, João Eiras jo...@opera.com wrote: Perhaps paste should be emphasized Will be :) -- Hallvord R. M. Steen, Core Tester, Opera Software http://www.opera.com http://my.opera.com/hallvors/

Re: [Clipboard API] Copy to clipboard

2011-09-05 Thread João Eiras
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:47:28 +0200, Hallvord R. M. Steen hallv...@opera.com wrote: On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 02:14:10 +0200, João Eiras joao.ei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi ! The spec for setData [1] states that this method when calling from a cut/copy event sets new data on the clipboard.

Copy prevention... up-and-running

2011-09-05 Thread Paul Libbrecht
While the discussion about preventing abuse in clipboards is happening, allow me to suggest something I recently found: In the page below is a fairly simple script that succeeds in preventing the user to select with the mouse, hence copy, in Firefox 6, Safari 5.1, and a few others.

Re: Copy prevention... up-and-running

2011-09-05 Thread João Eiras
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:03:25 +0200, Paul Libbrecht p...@hoplahup.net wrote: While the discussion about preventing abuse in clipboards is happening, allow me to suggest something I recently found: In the page below is a fairly simple script that succeeds in preventing the user to select

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-05 Thread Jarred Nicholls
On Sep 4, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On 9/4/11 6:39 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:12:45 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: The CfC to publish a new WD of DOM Core was blocked by this RfC. I will proceed with a request

Re: Reference to the HTML specification

2011-09-05 Thread Jarred Nicholls
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2011, at 1:50 AM, Marcos Caceres marcosscace...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, September 5, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: Anyway, my point was just that Philippe's statement that an editor's draft has no special status is false, and I stand by this:

Re: Reference to the HTML specification

2011-09-05 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Monday, 5 September 2011 at 13:47, Jarred Nicholls wrote: On the contrary, but still supporting your point, as an implementer I always reference editor's drafts as the authoritative source given they are most up-to-date. This could be considered bad practice analogous to pulling WebKit

Re: [DOMCore] Extension specifications

2011-09-05 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 22:14:06 +0200, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: Apologies, I've only recently caught up with tr/domcore. Glad you are reviewing! http://www.w3.org/TR/domcore/#exceptions Please review http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html as there have

[DOM] Extensibility

2011-09-05 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Please change the subject as appropriate. On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 18:49:02 +0200, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: It seems to me that the following section documents DOM Core's proposed improvements to DOM3Events: http://www.w3.org/TR/domcore/#dom-events It probably requires some

Re: Fwd: Re: CfC: new WD of Clipboard API and Events; deadline April 5

2011-09-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Hallvord R. M. Steen hallv...@opera.comwrote: Pretty much everything in this spec can be abused to cause nuisance. Personally, I'm less than thrilled to see an API giving sites more ability to mangle what I copy. Clipboard hijacking scripts that add read more

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-05 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:08:25 +0200, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: I propose calling it Web Core. WC1 (Web Core version 1). It is a somewhat compelling idea, but I think we should keep DOM in the name given that everything it builds on did too. The Web semantic is popular,

Re: CfC: new WD of Clipboard API and Events; deadline April 5

2011-09-05 Thread Paul Libbrecht
Le 5 sept. 2011 à 16:50, Glenn Maynard a écrit : On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Hallvord R. M. Steen hallv...@opera.com wrote: Pretty much everything in this spec can be abused to cause nuisance. Personally, I'm less than thrilled to see an API giving sites more ability to mangle what I

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-05 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/5/11 8:14 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:08:25 +0200, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: I propose calling it Web Core. WC1 (Web Core version 1). It is a somewhat compelling idea, but I think we should keep DOM in the name given that everything it builds on

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-05 Thread João Eiras
Given that the specification replaces most of DOM2 and DOM3 I suggest we name it DOM4, including for the upcoming WD (or alternatively a WD we publish a couple of weeks later). I propose calling it Web Core. WC1 (Web Core version 1). Without hesitation, I concur. +1 Jarred It needs DOM

[Bug 13870] el.insertAdjacentHTML(beforebegin/afterend broken when el.parentNode is a DocumentFragment

2011-09-05 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13870 Ms2ger ms2...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED CC|

Re: Reference to the HTML specification

2011-09-05 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-09-05 16:13, Marcos Caceres wrote: ... Most don't, in my experience. Specially those from other consortia. They love cling the dated specs and then pretend they are somehow more stable then the Editor's Draft. It's simply nonsense, but the W3C Process document seems to codify this.

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-05 Thread Adam Barth
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On 9/4/11 6:39 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:12:45 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: The CfC to publish a new WD of DOM Core was blocked by this RfC. I will proceed with a 

Re: Reference to the HTML specification

2011-09-05 Thread Marcos Caceres
Hi Julian, On Monday, 5 September 2011 at 20:54, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2011-09-05 16:13, Marcos Caceres wrote: ... Most don't, in my experience. Specially those from other consortia. They love cling the dated specs and then pretend they are somehow more stable then the Editor's

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-05 Thread Jarred Nicholls
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On 9/4/11 6:39 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:12:45 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: The

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-05 Thread Jarred Nicholls
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Jarred Nicholls jar...@extjs.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On 9/4/11 6:39 AM, Anne van Kesteren

Re: Reference to the HTML specification

2011-09-05 Thread Charles Pritchard
On Sep 5, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: On 2011-09-05 16:13, Marcos Caceres wrote: ... Most don't, in my experience. Specially those from other consortia. They love cling the dated specs and then pretend they are somehow more stable then the Editor's

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-05 Thread Charles Pritchard
On Sep 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On 9/4/11 6:39 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:12:45 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: The CfC to publish a

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-05 Thread Adam Barth
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On Sep 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On 9/4/11 6:39 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:12:45 +0200,

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-05 Thread Jarred Nicholls
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2011, at 5:35 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On Sep 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On 9/4/11 6:39 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On

Re: CfC: new WD of Clipboard API and Events; deadline April 5

2011-09-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Paul Libbrecht p...@hoplahup.net wrote: Slowly, users start to see the disadvantages of a dirty web-page (e.g. flash advertisement 100% cpu) and I am confident they will not that some pages mingle with their copy ability or actually provide a service to do so.

Re: Reference to the HTML specification

2011-09-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011, Julian Reschke wrote: I do see that it's a problem when people use outdated specs; but maybe the problem is not the being dated, but how they are published. As far as I can tell, there's not nearly as much confusion on the IETF side of things, where Internet Drafts

[Bug 14037] Should XMLDocument be standardized?

2011-09-05 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14037 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson i...@hixie.ch changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ann...@opera.com,

Re: riks of the new clipboard operations API (was: Re: CfC: new WD of Clipboard API and Events; deadline April 5)

2011-09-05 Thread Paul Libbrecht
Le 6 sept. 2011 à 00:51, Glenn Maynard a écrit : On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Paul Libbrecht p...@hoplahup.net wrote: Slowly, users start to see the disadvantages of a dirty web-page (e.g. flash advertisement 100% cpu) and I am confident they will not that some pages mingle with their