[html-imports] Syntax is mystic and daunting [Was: Re: HTML5 includes from within body]

2015-07-14 Thread Arthur Barstow

Hi Anatoly,

Perhaps it would be helpful if you expanded on specific issues with the 
HTML Imports syntax, either on this list or using an Issue 
https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/labels/html-imports.


-Regards, ArtB

On 7/14/15 3:32 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:

7 years ago the request to add body was blocked [1]

body
  include src = header.html/
  contentHTML5 body includes are unreadable/content
/body

The reason was that parser has to block while the document
is loading. Is that still actual for 2015?

From the user experience standpoint I find the barrier for
structuring HTML5 pages too high for newcomers. The simple
include could greatly help people to work with HTML5 more
easily and learn how to make their markup more readable.
Custom elements are awesome when you're a coder, but no
so awesome when you're just a journalist of designer.

Even as experienced non-JS coder I find the current syntax
for includes mystic and daunting [2]. The paradox is that for
HTML5 includes it is not possible to know about HTML alone
- need a good knowledge of CSS selectors, DOM and
JavaScript to read the website.

1. 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6875404/why-does-html5-not-include-a-way-of-loading-local-html-into-the-document
2. 
http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webcomponents/imports/#usingcontent


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Re: [html-imports] Syntax is mystic and daunting [Was: Re: HTML5 includes from within body]

2015-07-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
Hi Arthur,

What is not clear in my previous mail? The non-mystic syntax is included
there at the top.


On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi Anatoly,

 Perhaps it would be helpful if you expanded on specific issues with the
 HTML Imports syntax, either on this list or using an Issue 
 https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/labels/html-imports.

 -Regards, ArtB

 On 7/14/15 3:32 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:

 7 years ago the request to add body was blocked [1]

 body
   include src = header.html/
   contentHTML5 body includes are unreadable/content
 /body

 The reason was that parser has to block while the document
 is loading. Is that still actual for 2015?

 From the user experience standpoint I find the barrier for
 structuring HTML5 pages too high for newcomers. The simple
 include could greatly help people to work with HTML5 more
 easily and learn how to make their markup more readable.
 Custom elements are awesome when you're a coder, but no
 so awesome when you're just a journalist of designer.

 Even as experienced non-JS coder I find the current syntax
 for includes mystic and daunting [2]. The paradox is that for
 HTML5 includes it is not possible to know about HTML alone
 - need a good knowledge of CSS selectors, DOM and
 JavaScript to read the website.

 1.
 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6875404/why-does-html5-not-include-a-way-of-loading-local-html-into-the-document
 2.
 http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webcomponents/imports/#usingcontent

 Please, CC.
 --
 anatoly t.





-- 
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Re: [html-imports] Syntax is mystic and daunting [Was: Re: HTML5 includes from within body]

2015-07-14 Thread anatoly techtonik
Added an issue:
https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/issues/280

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 4:48 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi Arthur,

 What is not clear in my previous mail? The non-mystic syntax is included
 there at the top.


 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Anatoly,

 Perhaps it would be helpful if you expanded on specific issues with the
 HTML Imports syntax, either on this list or using an Issue 
 https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/labels/html-imports.

 -Regards, ArtB

 On 7/14/15 3:32 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:

 7 years ago the request to add body was blocked [1]

 body
   include src = header.html/
   contentHTML5 body includes are unreadable/content
 /body

 The reason was that parser has to block while the document
 is loading. Is that still actual for 2015?

 From the user experience standpoint I find the barrier for
 structuring HTML5 pages too high for newcomers. The simple
 include could greatly help people to work with HTML5 more
 easily and learn how to make their markup more readable.
 Custom elements are awesome when you're a coder, but no
 so awesome when you're just a journalist of designer.

 Even as experienced non-JS coder I find the current syntax
 for includes mystic and daunting [2]. The paradox is that for
 HTML5 includes it is not possible to know about HTML alone
 - need a good knowledge of CSS selectors, DOM and
 JavaScript to read the website.

 1.
 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6875404/why-does-html5-not-include-a-way-of-loading-local-html-into-the-document
 2.
 http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webcomponents/imports/#usingcontent

 Please, CC.
 --
 anatoly t.





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