RE: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

[Léonie Watson]

Quick reminder to please complete the ballot on proposed F2F meeting times. The 
feeling seems to be to meet sooner rather than later, so getting a decision 
ASAP would probably be a good thing to do (especially for those of us with 
travel plans to make):
https://modernballots.com/elections/agkedja2 

Thanks.
Léonie.

-- 
Senior accessibility engineer @LeonieWatson @PacielloGroup

Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

[Hayato Ito]

> 1. Clarify focus navigation
> 2. Clarify selection behavior (at least make it interoperable to JS)
> 3. Decide on the style cascading order
> 4. style inheritance (https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/issues/314)

I'm happy to have the mentioned topics about Shadow DOM on the f2f if and
only if:

- We have well-defined one-or-more proposals other than the current spec
- We've discussed the pros and cons of each proposal (and the current spec)
well
- However, we can not reach the consensus.

Unless a well-defined proposal before the meeting, I'm afraid it would be
difficult to have a consensus in the meeting.

Topic 1)
I can see one proposal about this topic:
https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/issues/126.
This proposal doesn't replace the current behavior. It just adds the new
feature to current behavior.

Topic 2)
This issue has been an unresolved problem for years. There is no proposal
at all.

Topic 3)
This is the summary I've written:
https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/blob/gh-pages/proposals/Shadow-DOM-Cascade-Order-in-v1.md

Topic 4)
There is no well-defined proposal other than the current spec.

It wold be nice to make the situation clear before the meeting so that we
don't have additional topics other than Custom Elements on f2f meetings.


On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:07 PM Ryosuke Niwa  wrote:

> >
> > On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Chris Wilson  wrote:
> >
> > Or host in Seattle.  :)
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Travis Leithead <
> travis.leith...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> I would prefer a late January date so as to allow me to arrange travel.
> Otherwise, I’m happy to attend remotely anytime.
>
> I'm okay with either option with a slight preference on having it earlier
> since we didn't have much time discussing custom elements at TPAC.
>
> I would like to resolve the following issues for shadow DOM:
> 1. Clarify focus navigation
> 2. Clarify selection behavior (at least make it interoperable to JS)
> 3. Decide on the style cascading order
>
> And the following issues for custom elements:
> 4. Construction model. Do we do sync / almost-sync / dance?
> 5. Do we support upgrading?  If we do, how?
>
> Any other issues?
>
> - R. Niwa
>
>
>

Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

[Chaals McCathie Nevile]

On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:21:43 +0900, Domenic Denicola <d...@domenic.me> wrote:

Maybe we could have separate meetings (or days) for shadow DOM and for  
custom elements? I am concerned that with this growing list of shadow  
DOM topics we will not have time for custom elements, which would be  
disappointing for those of us traveling specifically for that.


It seems we might have enough work to make this a good idea.

As for dates: If we go for late January, the 26th through 28th collide  
with TC39, but the 25th or 29th would be ideal for me, since it would  
allow travel consolidation. December also works, with no conflicts.


If we go for January, this seems like a good week. I presume Travis will  
be in Australia earlier at the TAG meeting, and I'll be there too.


For people traveling to both, it seems a big ask to split the week.

Would people prefer to have a two-day meeting covering saturday or sunday,  
have one meeting in december and one in january (preferences for which is  
which?), try to have one very long day (personally I strongly advise not  
trying that, but if it's what we get I'll work with it)?


I'll set up a doodle when I get to sit down for a minute, hopefully  
tomorrow. Feel free to add to the thread in the meantime.


cheers


From: "Takayoshi Kochi (河内 隆仁)" <ko...@google.com>
Sent: Oct 30, 2015 2:52 PM
To: Ryosuke Niwa
Cc: Cynthia Shelly; Chris Wilson; Travis Leithead; Dimitri Glazkov; Olli  
Pettay; Chaals McCathie Nevile; public-webapps WG

Subject: Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...



On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Ryosuke Niwa  
<rn...@apple.com<mailto:rn...@apple.com>> wrote:


On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Chris Wilson  
<cwi...@google.com<mailto:cwi...@google.com>> wrote:


Or host in Seattle.  :)

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Travis Leithead  
<travis.leith...@microsoft.com<mailto:travis.leith...@microsoft.com>>  
wrote:
I would prefer a late January date so as to allow me to arrange  
travel. Otherwise, I’m happy to attend remotely anytime.


I'm okay with either option with a slight preference on having it  
earlier since we didn't have much time discussing custom elements at  
TPAC.


I would like to resolve the following issues for shadow DOM:
1. Clarify focus navigation
2. Clarify selection behavior (at least make it interoperable to JS)
3. Decide on the style cascading order


In addition, I'd propose

+ Decide on style inheritance  
(https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/issues/314)



And the following issues for custom elements:
4. Construction model. Do we do sync / almost-sync / dance?
5. Do we support upgrading?  If we do, how?

Any other issues?

- R. Niwa





--
Takayoshi Kochi



--
Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
 cha...@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com

Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

[Ryosuke Niwa]

> 
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Chris Wilson  wrote:
> 
> Or host in Seattle.  :)
> 
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Travis Leithead 
>  wrote:
>> I would prefer a late January date so as to allow me to arrange travel. 
>> Otherwise, I’m happy to attend remotely anytime.

I'm okay with either option with a slight preference on having it earlier since 
we didn't have much time discussing custom elements at TPAC.

I would like to resolve the following issues for shadow DOM:
1. Clarify focus navigation
2. Clarify selection behavior (at least make it interoperable to JS)
3. Decide on the style cascading order

And the following issues for custom elements:
4. Construction model. Do we do sync / almost-sync / dance?
5. Do we support upgrading?  If we do, how?

Any other issues?

- R. Niwa

Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

[河内 隆仁]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Ryosuke Niwa  wrote:

> >
> > On Oct 29, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Chris Wilson  wrote:
> >
> > Or host in Seattle.  :)
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Travis Leithead <
> travis.leith...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> I would prefer a late January date so as to allow me to arrange travel.
> Otherwise, I’m happy to attend remotely anytime.
>
> I'm okay with either option with a slight preference on having it earlier
> since we didn't have much time discussing custom elements at TPAC.
>
> I would like to resolve the following issues for shadow DOM:
> 1. Clarify focus navigation
> 2. Clarify selection behavior (at least make it interoperable to JS)
> 3. Decide on the style cascading order
>
>
In addition, I'd propose

+ Decide on style inheritance (
https://github.com/w3c/webcomponents/issues/314)



> And the following issues for custom elements:
> 4. Construction model. Do we do sync / almost-sync / dance?
> 5. Do we support upgrading?  If we do, how?
>
> Any other issues?
>
> - R. Niwa
>
>
>


-- 
Takayoshi Kochi

Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

[Olli Pettay]

On 10/28/2015 06:19 AM, Chaals McCathie Nevile wrote:

Hi,

it would be good to have a face to face meeting, and wrap up loose ends. At the 
TPAC meeting times suggested were December and late January.

If people want to do it soon, we should probably aim for December, which means 
finding a date and host. The assumption is that we will be meeting
around the Bay Area...

I would propose a day between 10 and 14 December as a starting point (based on 
my own availability - as one of the few people traveling internationally).

FYI, Mozilla has coincidental work weeks Monday, December 7 - Friday, December 
11 in Orlando.




If you cannot make a date in that window, or think we need a meeting later, and 
want to make a counter suggestion, please do so. If you can make it,
please let me know - I am trying to get a quick sense before calling for a host 
and agreement on a particular date…

I hope we can get people settling a rough time-frame very fast, to provide 
adequate notice for people who need to organise travel.

cheers

Chaals

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Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

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Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

[Dimitri Glazkov]

I am available on all of those days. Will also be happy to help with
logistics.

:DG<

RE: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

[Léonie Watson]

> From: Chaals McCathie Nevile [mailto:cha...@yandex-team.ru]
> Sent: 28 October 2015 13:20
> it would be good to have a face to face meeting, and wrap up loose ends.
> At the TPAC meeting times suggested were December and late January.

[...]

> I would propose a day between 10 and 14 December as a starting point
> (based on my own availability - as one of the few people traveling
> internationally).

I'll be in the US anyway the w/c 14th December, so could reasonably make it to 
a Web Comps meeting beforehand.


Léonie.

-- 
Senior accessibility engineer @PacielloGroup @LeonieWatson


 

RE: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

[Travis Leithead]

I would prefer a late January date so as to allow me to arrange travel. 
Otherwise, I’m happy to attend remotely anytime.

From: Dimitri Glazkov [mailto:dglaz...@google.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 2:52 AM
To: Olli Pettay <o...@pettay.fi>
Cc: Chaals McCathie Nevile <cha...@yandex-team.ru>; public-webapps WG 
<public-webapps@w3.org>
Subject: Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

I am available on all of those days. Will also be happy to help with logistics.

:DG<

Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

[Chris Wilson]

Or host in Seattle.  :)

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Travis Leithead <
travis.leith...@microsoft.com> wrote:

> I would prefer a late January date so as to allow me to arrange travel.
> Otherwise, I’m happy to attend remotely anytime.
>
>
>
> *From:* Dimitri Glazkov [mailto:dglaz...@google.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 2:52 AM
> *To:* Olli Pettay <o...@pettay.fi>
> *Cc:* Chaals McCathie Nevile <cha...@yandex-team.ru>; public-webapps WG <
> public-webapps@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...
>
>
>
> I am available on all of those days. Will also be happy to help with
> logistics.
>
>
>
> :DG<
>

Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

[Dimitri Glazkov]

Won't it rain though?

:DG<

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Chris Wilson <cwi...@google.com> wrote:

> Or host in Seattle.  :)
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Travis Leithead <
> travis.leith...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> I would prefer a late January date so as to allow me to arrange travel.
>> Otherwise, I’m happy to attend remotely anytime.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Dimitri Glazkov [mailto:dglaz...@google.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 2:52 AM
>> *To:* Olli Pettay <o...@pettay.fi>
>> *Cc:* Chaals McCathie Nevile <cha...@yandex-team.ru>; public-webapps WG <
>> public-webapps@w3.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...
>>
>>
>>
>> I am available on all of those days. Will also be happy to help with
>> logistics.
>>
>>
>>
>> :DG<
>>
>
>

Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

[Chris Wilson]

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't melt, Dimitri.  :)

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Dimitri Glazkov <dglaz...@google.com>
wrote:

> Won't it rain though?
>
> :DG<
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Chris Wilson <cwi...@google.com> wrote:
>
>> Or host in Seattle.  :)
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Travis Leithead <
>> travis.leith...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would prefer a late January date so as to allow me to arrange travel.
>>> Otherwise, I’m happy to attend remotely anytime.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Dimitri Glazkov [mailto:dglaz...@google.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 2:52 AM
>>> *To:* Olli Pettay <o...@pettay.fi>
>>> *Cc:* Chaals McCathie Nevile <cha...@yandex-team.ru>; public-webapps WG
>>> <public-webapps@w3.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am available on all of those days. Will also be happy to help with
>>> logistics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> :DG<
>>>
>>
>>
>

RE: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

[Cynthia Shelly]

I’m not sure I need to be there, but if it’s in Seattle I could attend to 
discuss javascript accessibility APIs as part of web components.

From: Chris Wilson [mailto:cwi...@google.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 9:47 AM
To: Travis Leithead <travis.leith...@microsoft.com>
Cc: Dimitri Glazkov <dglaz...@google.com>; Olli Pettay <o...@pettay.fi>; Chaals 
McCathie Nevile <cha...@yandex-team.ru>; public-webapps WG 
<public-webapps@w3.org>
Subject: Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

Or host in Seattle.  :)

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Travis Leithead 
<travis.leith...@microsoft.com<mailto:travis.leith...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
I would prefer a late January date so as to allow me to arrange travel. 
Otherwise, I’m happy to attend remotely anytime.

From: Dimitri Glazkov [mailto:dglaz...@google.com<mailto:dglaz...@google.com>]
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 2:52 AM
To: Olli Pettay <o...@pettay.fi<mailto:o...@pettay.fi>>
Cc: Chaals McCathie Nevile 
<cha...@yandex-team.ru<mailto:cha...@yandex-team.ru>>; public-webapps WG 
<public-webapps@w3.org<mailto:public-webapps@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: [Web Components] proposing a f2f...

I am available on all of those days. Will also be happy to help with logistics.

:DG<