Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-09-21 Thread Henri Manson
I created a prototype of this idea on github: https://github.com/hfmanson/webcomponentsjs/blob/xml-namespace/README.md by forking the original webcomponents.js project. It contains a working example of this concept. Below the content of the README.md file: This fork of webcomponents.js enhances

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-04-09 Thread Rahly
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Kurt Cagle kurt.ca...@gmail.com wrote: Tab, I spend the vast majority of my time anymore in RDF-land, where namespaces actually make sense (I'm not going to argue on the XML use of namespaces - they are, agreed, ugly and complex). I know that when I've been at

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-04-09 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Rahly hungry.ra...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Kurt Cagle kurt.ca...@gmail.com wrote: Tab, I spend the vast majority of my time anymore in RDF-land, where namespaces actually make sense (I'm not going to argue on the XML use of

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-07 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 5 February 2015 at 20:55, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Glen glen...@gmail.com wrote: So in other words it *is* a case of it's good enough. Web components are quite possibly the future of the web, and yet we're implementing them to be good

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-06 Thread Kurt Cagle
I'm inclined to agree with Glen here on a couple of points. 1) The exact form of the namespacing mechanism isn't so important as the fact that there is a mechanism in place. While not everyone will use namespaces (and to be honest that should be seen as a requirement, that any namespace proposal

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-06 Thread Austin William Wright
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: * Domain names don't mean much. For example, Dublin Core's namespace starts with http://purl.org/;, which is effectively meaningless. It means that the owner of purl.org decided to allocate the namespace, as opposed

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-06 Thread Glen
Web Components are also JS. Any renaming you do in JS, you can do just as easily in HTML. + No functionality is enabled by namespaces that can't be done without them just as easily but with a little more verbosity. So I can import a custom element and rename it even after it has been

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-06 Thread Arthur Barstow
On 2/4/15 4:41 PM, Dimitri Glazkov wrote The proposed solution is using registries: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24578 Thanks Dimitri. Glen - FYI, I added a link to the thread you started to the above bug (and embellished the bug's title a bit to reflect this thread). The

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-06 Thread Dimitri Glazkov
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 4:05 AM, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@gmail.com wrote: Dimitri - if someone wants to provide input (f.ex. requirements ) for this API, should they add them to the above bug (or do you recommend else)? Yep. That's a good place. :DG

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-05 Thread Glen
So in other words it *is* a case of it's good enough. Web components are quite possibly the future of the web, and yet we're implementing them to be good enough in 90% of use cases? jQuery is JavaScript which means that it's different for various reasons: 1. It's less important to keep the

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-05 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, real namespacing does eventually prove necessary as the population grows. That's fine. It's something that can be added organically as necessary; letting everything live in the null namespace first doesn't harm

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-05 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 4 February 2015 at 22:31, Glen glen...@gmail.com wrote: I know I'm rather late to the party, but I've been doing a lot of reading lately about web components and related technologies, and the one thing that confounds me is the fact that web components appear not to have any real

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-05 Thread Glen
I like the look of a colon, however it would quite probably conflict with XML/XHTML so it's probably best to avoid it (although I am not an expert). A hyphen or maybe even a tilde (~) would likely be the better option. ms-panel polymer-element a href=xxx x-controller=xxx ms~panel

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-05 Thread Kurt Cagle
Tab, I spend the vast majority of my time anymore in RDF-land, where namespaces actually make sense (I'm not going to argue on the XML use of namespaces - they are, agreed, ugly and complex). I know that when I've been at Balisage or any of the W3 confabs, the issue of namespaces ex-XML has been

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-05 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Kurt Cagle kurt.ca...@gmail.com wrote: Tab, I spend the vast majority of my time anymore in RDF-land, where namespaces actually make sense (I'm not going to argue on the XML use of namespaces - they are, agreed, ugly and complex). I know that when I've been at

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-05 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Benjamin Goering b...@livefyre.com wrote: Glad to see this. I was 'checking in' on the professional practicalities of custom elements earlier this week, and was pretty bummed when I couldn't use XHTML5 namespaces for my employer's organization. I build widgets

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-05 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, real namespacing does eventually prove necessary as the population grows. That's fine. It's something that can be added organically as

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-05 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Glen glen...@gmail.com wrote: So in other words it *is* a case of it's good enough. Web components are quite possibly the future of the web, and yet we're implementing them to be good enough in 90% of use cases? jQuery is JavaScript which means that it's

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-04 Thread Glenn Adams
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Glen glen...@gmail.com wrote: I know I'm rather late to the party, but I've been doing a lot of reading lately about web components and related technologies, and the one thing that confounds me is the fact that web components appear not to have any real

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-04 Thread Glen
It doesn't really matter whether or not it's based on (or at least resembles) XML, as long as there is some way to specify (and redefine) the prefix of custom elements. G. On 2015/02/04 23:39, Glenn Adams wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Glen glen...@gmail.com

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-04 Thread William Edney
Glen - Glenn has the answer. So we're going to come up with yet-another-registry rather than use one that already exists and guarantees (at least as far can be guaranteed) uniqueness: DNS. The ramifications of not making HTML5 be XHTML5 will be with us for a very long time indeed. Cheers, -

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-04 Thread Glen
Can either of you provide an example in layman's terms? I don't quite understand what this will look like. G. On 2015/02/05 00:29, William Edney wrote: Glen - Glenn has the answer. So we're going to come up with yet-another-registry rather than use one that already exists and guarantees

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-04 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Glen glen...@gmail.com wrote: I know I'm rather late to the party, but I've been doing a lot of reading lately about web components and related technologies, and the one thing that confounds me is the fact that web components appear not to have any real

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-04 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Kurt Cagle kurt.ca...@gmail.com wrote: I predict that sometime around 2025, we will end up redefining namespaces because the number of jQuery-like components have ballooned into the millions, the web has descended once again into a sea of interoperability, and

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-04 Thread Kurt Cagle
I predict that sometime around 2025, we will end up redefining namespaces because the number of jQuery-like components have ballooned into the millions, the web has descended once again into a sea of interoperability, and registries will, once again, have proven to be a bottleneck, as they have

Re: Are web components *seriously* not namespaced?

2015-02-04 Thread Benjamin Goering
Glad to see this. I was 'checking in' on the professional practicalities of custom elements earlier this week, and was pretty bummed when I couldn't use XHTML5 namespaces for my employer's organization. I build widgets all day. They run in inhospitable that websites I'm not in control of. They