Re: Where to discuss TR process issues? [Was: Re: [eventsource] Is Server-Sent Events ready for LC? ; deadline July 1

2011-07-09 Thread Charles McCathieNevile

On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 23:50:48 +0200, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:


On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Arthur Barstow wrote:


So, rather than continuing to complain about this process on
public-webapps, I would appreciate it if you would please move TR
process type discussions to another Public list.


I'm not asking to have a discussion about it at all; I'm asking that you
stop trying to prioritise my work based on it.


Hi Ian,

in so far as the Web Apps group is currently chartered under the existing  
W3C process, and you are an editor of some specs under the terms of that  
charter, I find it hard to understand what us unreasonable about  
prioritising the work of the group (some of which you have volunteered to  
do) according to the existing agreements about how the group functions.


For what it's worth, I am a member of the Advisory Board, and in that  
capacity I share some of your concerns. I, and I believe the advisory  
board as a whole, would appreciate you taking the time to make some  
proposals on process to that forum - a...@w3.org with a cc to e.g.  
www-archive if you want a public track. As an employee of a W3C member,  
you could also ask your member representative (TV Raman) to present  
concerns through the Advisory Committee forum.


Whether you chose to do so or not, these issues are being followed in the  
relevant fora - but this group isn't really it.


cheers

Chaals

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Where to discuss TR process issues? [Was: Re: [eventsource] Is Server-Sent Events ready for LC? ; deadline July 1

2011-07-06 Thread Arthur Barstow

Hi Hixie,

On 7/6/11 1:55 PM, ext Ian Hickson wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011, Arthur Barstow wrote:

Any comments re the priority of this bug, in particular if it must be
addressed before publishing a new LCWD?

Can we please stop letting the LCWD/CR/PR process nonsense drive the
prioritisation of the bug fixing process? This is getting ridiculous.


I think we all realize you have issues with the W3C's TR process. I 
actually agree with some of your view points [at least as I understand 
them ;-)] and I think they should be discussed with a different set of 
people then WebApps.  For instance, the so-called Advisory Board 
[AdvBrd] manages the evolution of the W3C Process Document, yet I 
suspect very few of them are subscribed to public-webapps.


So, rather than continuing to complain about this process on 
public-webapps, I would appreciate it if you would please move TR 
process type discussions to another Public list.


IJ, PLH - what Public list is appropriate for discussions about the TR 
process?


-AB

[AdvBrd] http://www.w3.org/2002/ab/






Re: Where to discuss TR process issues? [Was: Re: [eventsource] Is Server-Sent Events ready for LC? ; deadline July 1

2011-07-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Arthur Barstow wrote:
 
 So, rather than continuing to complain about this process on 
 public-webapps, I would appreciate it if you would please move TR 
 process type discussions to another Public list.

I'm not asking to have a discussion about it at all; I'm asking that you 
stop trying to prioritise my work based on it.

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Re: Where to discuss TR process issues? [Was: Re: [eventsource] Is Server-Sent Events ready for LC? ; deadline July 1

2011-07-06 Thread Ian Jacobs

On 6 Jul 2011, at 2:41 PM, Arthur Barstow wrote:

 Hi Hixie,
 
 On 7/6/11 1:55 PM, ext Ian Hickson wrote:
 On Tue, 5 Jul 2011, Arthur Barstow wrote:
 Any comments re the priority of this bug, in particular if it must be
 addressed before publishing a new LCWD?
 Can we please stop letting the LCWD/CR/PR process nonsense drive the
 prioritisation of the bug fixing process? This is getting ridiculous.
 
 I think we all realize you have issues with the W3C's TR process. I actually 
 agree with some of your view points [at least as I understand them ;-)] and I 
 think they should be discussed with a different set of people then WebApps.  
 For instance, the so-called Advisory Board [AdvBrd] manages the evolution of 
 the W3C Process Document, yet I suspect very few of them are subscribed to 
 public-webapps.
 
 So, rather than continuing to complain about this process on public-webapps, 
 I would appreciate it if you would please move TR process type discussions to 
 another Public list.
 
 IJ, PLH - what Public list is appropriate for discussions about the TR 
 process?

There is no list with a public archive. One thing to do is use process-issues 
and cc www-archive if you wish.

Ian

 
 -AB
 
 [AdvBrd] http://www.w3.org/2002/ab/
 
 
 
 

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