Re: [Pulp-dev] [Pulp-list] Github Discussions

[David Davis]

AFAICT, there's no way to make discussions readonly so any discussions not
migrated over won't be accessible although I think we can still get to them
by temporarily enabling Discussions.

Looks like mcorr already migrated over your thread. :)

David


On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:01 AM Quirin Pamp  wrote:

> Will it still be possible to read old discussion threads?
>
> If no, I would like it if this one could be migrated (for the conclusions
> reached in the thread):
>
> https://github.com/pulp/community/discussions/73
>
> Quirin (quba42)
>
> 
> From: pulp-dev-boun...@redhat.com  on behalf
> of David Davis 
> Sent: 23 August 2021 15:30
> To: Melanie Corr
> Cc: pulp-list; Pulp Development List
> Subject: Re: [Pulp-dev] [Pulp-list]  Github Discussions
>
> If no one objects, I will be retiring Pulp's Github Discussions by
> September 1st. It seems like the options we are considering going forward
> are either staying on the mailing lists or moving to Discourse.
>
> If you need something migrated over to Discourse from Github Discussions,
> please let me know.
>
> David
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 9:55 AM Melanie Corr  mc...@redhat.com>> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Based on your feedback, we now have a Pulp Community Discourse:
> https://discourse.pulpproject.org/
>
> This is still a continuation of our evaluation of whether to move away
> from the mailing list as a primary communication method. We need you to
> tell us if this is helpful.
>
> We will wrap up any discussions that remain open on our GitHub Discussions
> page and migrate any open discussions.
>
> I'm getting everything ready. Please feel free to make suggestions.
>
> Please join us over on Discourse!
>
> Melanie
>
> Ar Aoine 18 Meith 2021 ag 17:01, scríobh Melanie Corr  >:
> Having been an admin on the Foreman Community Discourse for over a year, I
> am +1 to a using Discourse for community conversations.
> Greg Sutcliffe has data to prove the increase in community engagement
> after the move.
>
> Ar Aoine 18 Meith 2021 ag 16:33, scríobh Daniel Alley  >:
> And Matrix integration.
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/chatroom-integration-plugin-discourse-chat-integration/66522
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 1:11 PM David Davis  davidda...@redhat.com>> wrote:
> I was rather surprised but Discourse did approve us for a free plan. The
> instance has been set up at https://pulp.discourse.group/. Feel free to
> try it out and experiment with it.
>
> However, the main limitation I see is the 50k pageviews per month limit.
> For reference, community.theforeman.org
> gets about 160-220k pageviews per month. So I think this would end up being
> a problem. I also checked with OSCI though and they apparently have
> experience with setting up Discourse instances for other open source
> communities. So I think they might be willing to set up a Discourse
> instance for us. I'm going to follow up and confirm.
>
> If we go this route, then we can also add the calendar plugin which would
> give us a public calendar like foreman has:
>
> https://community.theforeman.org/c/events/13/l/calendar
>
> I'm imagining we can use this to list events that are open to the public
> like triage/open floor and perhaps plugin team meetings.
>
> The more I use Discourse, the more I feel like it ticks all the boxes from
> granular notifications (weekly digests, ability to follow/unfollow
> categories, etc) to a mailing list mode users can enable to SSO integration
> with services like Github.
>
> David
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:59 PM Neal Gompa  ngomp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:21 PM David Davis  davidda...@redhat.com>> wrote:
> >
> > One of the main reasons we wanted to move off mailing lists is that
> signing up is inconvenient for users that may just want to ask a single
> question. But I agree that Github Discussions is not so great if users want
> to periodically monitor news and discussions for a project like Pulp. I
> wonder perhaps if Discourse[0] would be a better fit (see Foreman's use of
> discourse as an example[1]). It provides a mailing list mode that users can
> enable if they want to interact solely via email. And also, it also offers
> more granular control of notifications and auth with services like Github.
> >
>
> The Fedora mailing list system (HyperKitty) actually manages to strike
> a good balance here. You can sign in with OIDC/Social Login with
> Fedora, Google, etc. and post to a list and only be subscribed to that
> thread. Or you can subscribe to the whole list and do things like we
> do now.
>
> > One of the main concerns we've had around using Discourse is hosting it
> ourselves but it does look like Discourse provides a free plan for open
> source projects[2]. It has some limitations (not sure if they'd be an issue
> for us?) but I've submitted an application to see if we qualify. I should
> hear back in a couple 

Re: [Pulp-dev] [Pulp-list] Github Discussions

[Quirin Pamp]

Will it still be possible to read old discussion threads?

If no, I would like it if this one could be migrated (for the conclusions 
reached in the thread):

https://github.com/pulp/community/discussions/73

Quirin (quba42)


From: pulp-dev-boun...@redhat.com  on behalf of 
David Davis 
Sent: 23 August 2021 15:30
To: Melanie Corr
Cc: pulp-list; Pulp Development List
Subject: Re: [Pulp-dev] [Pulp-list]  Github Discussions

If no one objects, I will be retiring Pulp's Github Discussions by September 
1st. It seems like the options we are considering going forward are either 
staying on the mailing lists or moving to Discourse.

If you need something migrated over to Discourse from Github Discussions, 
please let me know.

David


On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 9:55 AM Melanie Corr 
mailto:mc...@redhat.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

Based on your feedback, we now have a Pulp Community Discourse: 
https://discourse.pulpproject.org/

This is still a continuation of our evaluation of whether to move away from the 
mailing list as a primary communication method. We need you to tell us if this 
is helpful.

We will wrap up any discussions that remain open on our GitHub Discussions page 
and migrate any open discussions.

I'm getting everything ready. Please feel free to make suggestions.

Please join us over on Discourse!

Melanie

Ar Aoine 18 Meith 2021 ag 17:01, scríobh Melanie Corr 
mailto:mc...@redhat.com>>:
Having been an admin on the Foreman Community Discourse for over a year, I am 
+1 to a using Discourse for community conversations.
Greg Sutcliffe has data to prove the increase in community engagement after the 
move.

Ar Aoine 18 Meith 2021 ag 16:33, scríobh Daniel Alley 
mailto:dal...@redhat.com>>:
And Matrix integration.  
https://meta.discourse.org/t/chatroom-integration-plugin-discourse-chat-integration/66522


On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 1:11 PM David Davis 
mailto:davidda...@redhat.com>> wrote:
I was rather surprised but Discourse did approve us for a free plan. The 
instance has been set up at https://pulp.discourse.group/. Feel free to try it 
out and experiment with it.

However, the main limitation I see is the 50k pageviews per month limit. For 
reference, community.theforeman.org gets about 
160-220k pageviews per month. So I think this would end up being a problem. I 
also checked with OSCI though and they apparently have experience with setting 
up Discourse instances for other open source communities. So I think they might 
be willing to set up a Discourse instance for us. I'm going to follow up and 
confirm.

If we go this route, then we can also add the calendar plugin which would give 
us a public calendar like foreman has:

https://community.theforeman.org/c/events/13/l/calendar

I'm imagining we can use this to list events that are open to the public like 
triage/open floor and perhaps plugin team meetings.

The more I use Discourse, the more I feel like it ticks all the boxes from 
granular notifications (weekly digests, ability to follow/unfollow categories, 
etc) to a mailing list mode users can enable to SSO integration with services 
like Github.

David


On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:59 PM Neal Gompa 
mailto:ngomp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:21 PM David Davis 
mailto:davidda...@redhat.com>> wrote:
>
> One of the main reasons we wanted to move off mailing lists is that signing 
> up is inconvenient for users that may just want to ask a single question. But 
> I agree that Github Discussions is not so great if users want to periodically 
> monitor news and discussions for a project like Pulp. I wonder perhaps if 
> Discourse[0] would be a better fit (see Foreman's use of discourse as an 
> example[1]). It provides a mailing list mode that users can enable if they 
> want to interact solely via email. And also, it also offers more granular 
> control of notifications and auth with services like Github.
>

The Fedora mailing list system (HyperKitty) actually manages to strike
a good balance here. You can sign in with OIDC/Social Login with
Fedora, Google, etc. and post to a list and only be subscribed to that
thread. Or you can subscribe to the whole list and do things like we
do now.

> One of the main concerns we've had around using Discourse is hosting it 
> ourselves but it does look like Discourse provides a free plan for open 
> source projects[2]. It has some limitations (not sure if they'd be an issue 
> for us?) but I've submitted an application to see if we qualify. I should 
> hear back in a couple days.
>

I suspect not, but it'd be an interesting surprise if we qualified.



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