Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-06 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 03.05.08 15:05, Tomas Carnecky ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Colin Guthrie wrote: I disagree that this community is unresponsive. You just have to be patient. Lennart is the main developer but he does not sit slavishly reading the mailing list and responding immediately. He'll

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-06 Thread Tomas Carnecky
Lennart Poettering wrote: I could repeat here what I wrote in response to Nick Thompson. Complaining about Free Software is nothing that makes you any friends in the community. Fine. I'm complaining. But let me tell you this. I dug through the Wine alsa driver, the alsa pulse plugin and the

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-06 Thread Lennart Poettering
eOn Wed, 07.05.08 00:43, Tomas Carnecky ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: I could repeat here what I wrote in response to Nick Thompson. Complaining about Free Software is nothing that makes you any friends in the community. Fine. I'm complaining. But let me tell

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-05 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 02.05.08 11:01, Nick Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Awesome Matt, if you can share your source I would love to see it. What you are doing sounds interesting. For my app I'd like to have two classes of data. For arguments sake these are normal and alert. Normal audio

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-05 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 03.05.08 11:48, Nick Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: fully accept that my use of pulse might be somewhat unorthodox since it is in a speciailsed embedded system, however I also think that multiple device support and routing is of great interest, especially to the music

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-05 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 03.05.08 23:55, Tanu Kaskinen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Phew. Anyway the second question was not really answered fully. It might be my imprecision in stating the problem so let me try to distill it to the bare bones: For pulseaudio I'd like to know how or if a virtual

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-04 Thread Tomas Carnecky
Colin Guthrie wrote: Tomas Carnecky wrote: Colin Guthrie wrote: I disagree that this community is unresponsive. You just have to be patient. Lennart is the main developer but he does not sit slavishly reading the mailing list and responding immediately. He'll usually have a big purge every

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-04 Thread Tomas Carnecky
Colin Guthrie wrote: When I last looked at the wine alsa layer it was *really* nasty. It didn't even open the default device, it would instead try to open default:0 I think it was cleaned up a bit, but it should be very simple for someone to rewrite it or write a direct pulse driver. The

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-04 Thread Tanu Kaskinen
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 04:48:05PM -0700, Nick Thompson wrote: Given what you say (above) about per device routing not being possible I think the area I'd like to concentrate on is figuring out how a module can detect streams as they are being created. That way it could get the call in to

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-04 Thread Tomas Carnecky
Nikolai Beier wrote: 2008/5/4 Tomas Carnecky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Colin Guthrie wrote: Tomas Carnecky wrote: Colin Guthrie wrote: I disagree that this community is unresponsive. You just have to be patient. Lennart is the main developer but he does not sit slavishly reading the

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-04 Thread Colin Guthrie
Tomas Carnecky wrote: Colin Guthrie wrote: What are the bugs in the pulse alsa plugin you refer to? There are some feature limitations but they are typically down to what any ioplug plugin is capable of. https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2601 (see the comments made by

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-04 Thread Tomas Carnecky
Colin Guthrie wrote: Tomas Carnecky wrote: Colin Guthrie wrote: What are the bugs in the pulse alsa plugin you refer to? There are some feature limitations but they are typically down to what any ioplug plugin is capable of. https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2601 (see

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-04 Thread Tomas Carnecky
Nikolai Beier wrote: Oh, now I looked at the bug reports and got confused again. Is this the key points? (Ses below:) == Wine and the alsa plugin for PulseAudio (alsa pulse plugin) == PulseAudio normally takes control of the hardware through the device driver/ALSA. Thereby the hardware

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
Nick Thompson wrote: OK so I figured out the error of my ways, but I have to say this list is pretty unresponsive in helping the community so I have to ask myself is pulse is a sensible choice for audio development today? Particularly since there is little in the way of useful setup

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-03 Thread Tomas Carnecky
Colin Guthrie wrote: I disagree that this community is unresponsive. You just have to be patient. Lennart is the main developer but he does not sit slavishly reading the mailing list and responding immediately. He'll usually have a big purge every couple weeks, but generally does respond to

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-03 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi Colin, On May 3, 2008, at 5:53 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote: From what I can tell you've posted a couple questions but answered them yourself within a day! It's not really fair of you to answer your questions yourself so quickly without giving anyone a chance to try and be helpful :p

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-03 Thread Tanu Kaskinen
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 11:48:04AM -0700, Nick Thompson wrote: I fully accept that my use of pulse might be somewhat unorthodox since it is in a speciailsed embedded system, however I also think that multiple device support and routing is of great interest, especially to the music

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
Tomas Carnecky wrote: Colin Guthrie wrote: I disagree that this community is unresponsive. You just have to be patient. Lennart is the main developer but he does not sit slavishly reading the mailing list and responding immediately. He'll usually have a big purge every couple weeks, but

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-03 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi Tanu, On May 3, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Tanu Kaskinen wrote: On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 11:48:04AM -0700, Nick Thompson wrote: I fully accept that my use of pulse might be somewhat unorthodox since it is in a speciailsed embedded system, however I also think that multiple device support and

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-02 Thread Nick Thompson
Awesome Matt, if you can share your source I would love to see it. What you are doing sounds interesting. For my app I'd like to have two classes of data. For arguments sake these are normal and alert. Normal audio (mp3, wav, application data) needs to be routed to the currently selected

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-02 Thread Matt Patterson
So I think what I would do is make a combined sink for each class of data that routes all audio to all sources. If you disable the module to gets rid of idle streams this will leave you with active but corked streams to all output devices from each sink. You can then update which streams are

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Moving sources and sinks

2008-05-02 Thread Nick Thompson
Thanks Matt, it can wait a day or so! Nick On May 2, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Matt Patterson wrote: I'm not at home right now, but I will try to remember to forward my code tonight or tomorrow morning. If you really can't wait I sent an older version to the mailing list a while back, it