Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Sink for event sounds? WAS: paplay - sound roles?
On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 08:44 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: Hmm, is it then impossible to move event sounds? Doesn't seem like a good way to do it. Any comments? I can't find a way to move event sounds from my laptop speakers to my BT headphone (and my soon-to-come USB audio card I suppose). ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Sink for event sounds? WAS: paplay - sound roles?
'Twas brillig, and Ng Oon-Ee at 31/12/09 10:40 did gyre and gimble: On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 08:44 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: Hmm, is it then impossible to move event sounds? Doesn't seem like a good way to do it. Any comments? I can't find a way to move event sounds from my laptop speakers to my BT headphone (and my soon-to-come USB audio card I suppose). Just set the device as the default/fallback and it'll be used for event sounds (as I said before). Is this not flexible enough? There is technically no reason why we cannot enable this kind of moving, but I guess Lennart originally omitted it from pavucontrol for a reason so I would prefer his feedback before committing to anything. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/] Open Source: Mandriva Linux Contributor [http://www.mandriva.com/] PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/] Trac Hacker [http://trac.edgewall.org/] ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Sink for event sounds? WAS: paplay - sound roles?
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 11:27 +, Colin Guthrie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Ng Oon-Ee at 31/12/09 10:40 did gyre and gimble: On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 08:44 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: Hmm, is it then impossible to move event sounds? Doesn't seem like a good way to do it. Any comments? I can't find a way to move event sounds from my laptop speakers to my BT headphone (and my soon-to-come USB audio card I suppose). Just set the device as the default/fallback and it'll be used for event sounds (as I said before). Is this not flexible enough? There is technically no reason why we cannot enable this kind of moving, but I guess Lennart originally omitted it from pavucontrol for a reason so I would prefer his feedback before committing to anything. Col Apologies for not reading your previous response properly, I was assuming that my on-board MUST be defalt. My main issue is that this is different from how any other stream is handled. Imagine I have 3 sound output choices (a headset (A), on-board (B), some USB sound-card (C)). For a normal app, I set a preferred sink and it falls back to default, for example I'd always prefer it to be on A and to move to B if that's not possible. For event sounds, however, the only way to get it to be on A is to set A as a default, then in the case A is disconnected, its a toss up whether B or C gets event sounds (I'm sure there's some consistency, but it may not be the one I want?). ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Switching resample_method on the fly?
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 21:24 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 10:56 +, Colin Guthrie wrote: Hi, 'Twas brillig, and Bearcat M. Şandor at 30/12/09 10:07 did gyre and gimble: snip I've looked around for how to set up such profiles for a few days but i haven't found a way to do this. There is no way to do this right now. I don't know that bit of the code to be honest so don't know how much work would be needed here. If you do implement something I'd certainly limit it to the roles rather than making it more flexible as too much configuration can be a bad thing! I'm really not sure how much re-engineering ti would take to make this work, but it will certainly require some core changes. If the majority of the work could be kept within a module then this would certainly help keep the core as clean and tidy as possible for the majority of users. snip To clarify, are you (Bearcat) asking about changing the sample rate of the HW or simply the resampling method? The resampling method. I'd love to be able to change the rate based on what app was playing or change the rate on the fly, but given that a card locks, that's next to impossible. I think. Changing the method will do what i need. Thanks. ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss -- Bearcat M. Şandor Cell: 406.210.3500 Jabber/xmpp/gtalk/email: bear...@feline-soul.net MSN: bearcatsan...@hotmail.com Yahoo: bearcatsandor AIM: bearcatmsandor ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
[pulseaudio-discuss] FC12 header files
Greetings, I'm playing with the example simple recording app under FC12. The app calls out: pulse/simple.h pulse/error.h pulse/gccmacro.h but these header files are not found. Please advise? Thanks, FM ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Sink for event sounds? WAS: paplay - sound roles?
'Twas brillig, and Ng Oon-Ee at 31/12/09 12:14 did gyre and gimble: For event sounds, however, the only way to get it to be on A is to set A as a default, then in the case A is disconnected, its a toss up whether B or C gets event sounds (I'm sure there's some consistency, but it may not be the one I want?). Indeed, but then again if you moved the event role to A and then disconnected it, it would be up to module-rescue-streams to relocate it appropriately too which again, may not be the one you want... so the problem still exists in this scenario too... Yet another argument for role-based, priority list of preferred devices (e.g. how I've made module-device-manager work with the KDE UI - FWIW, the setup you want is /probably/ working fine under KDE with my integration patches and PA 0.9.21...) Col. -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/] Open Source: Mandriva Linux Contributor [http://www.mandriva.com/] PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/] Trac Hacker [http://trac.edgewall.org/] ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] FC12 header files
On Wed, 30.12.09 16:59, Frank W. Miller (frankwmil...@frankwmiller.net) wrote: I'm playing with the example simple recording app under FC12. The app calls out: pulse/simple.h pulse/error.h pulse/gccmacro.h but these header files are not found. Please advise? Try sudo yum install /usr/include/pulse/simple.h. (Hint: this will install the pulseaudio-libs-devel package) Please don't send HTML email to this mailing list. THank you. Lennart -- Lennart PoetteringRed Hat, Inc. lennart [at] poettering [dot] net http://0pointer.net/lennart/ GnuPG 0x1A015CC4 ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
[pulseaudio-discuss] Using pulseaudio with speakup
I am trying to get Ubuntu/Lucid working well with applications for the blind and visually impaired. Orca is working quite well now with pulseaudio. The other critical application is speakup, which reads text on the Ctrl+Alt+F1-6 consoles. Speakup has issues with pulseaudio, and I need some advice about working them out. It is important, but not required, that speakup run before the user logs in, so it can read the login prompt and some system messages. Ideally, it does this with speechd-up which talks to speech-dispatcher which generates speech through pulseadio. Thus, once speakup starts, it sounds like I need to somehow launch pulseaudio, as some user like gdm. When the user logs in, speechd-up needs to switch to talking to that user's instance of pulseadio, so that speach from both the console windows and Orca can stream through the same instance of speech-dispatcher. However, when I try this, the gdm version of pulseaudio seems to grab the sound card, and the second instance is mute. The obvious solution is for me to just run one copy of pulseaudio (as root?) at boot time and make all users access that copy, just like the older sound systems. However, I understand that is frowned upon by the pulseaudio developers. What is the right solution? Remember, I need sound both before logging in, and after, and they need to play nice, as the console windows may not be logged in, while the Gnome desktop is. I also prefer sound from speakup to work as soon as the module is loaded. I understand the old system for doing this, but not how to make it work with pulseaudio. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Bill ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] paplay - sound roles?
On Tue, 29.12.09 07:40, Ng Oon-Ee (ngoo...@gmail.com) wrote: Thanks Lennart. man paplay doesn't show that syntax... is it a relatively recent addition? Kinda. paplay --help shows it. Patches for the man pages (same way as for the code) always appreciated! ;-) So I'd just submit a diff? Unsure how to properly format though... git-format-patch formatted patches are always preferred. Lennart -- Lennart PoetteringRed Hat, Inc. lennart [at] poettering [dot] net http://0pointer.net/lennart/ GnuPG 0x1A015CC4 ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Media Keys on Bluetooth headsets?
On Tue, 29.12.09 07:24, Ng Oon-Ee (ngoo...@gmail.com) wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 16:09 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 28.12.09 08:08, Ng Oon-Ee (ngoo...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi, I've been using my Jabra Halo stereo (A2DP) headset with pulse and gnome-bluetooth for several months now, works great. A question though, does pulseaudio or gnome-bluetooth (not sure who'd be responsible for this) support the media keys (next track, previous track) on my headset, or on any bluetooth headset? I'd assume these keys are standard across headsets, since they all work on the same devices (bluetooth mp3 or cellphones etc.) bluetoothd forwards AVRCP key events to user applications by creating a virtual input device (uinput) for it in the kernel. Applications that handle /dev/input devices properly (such as X) should be able to make use of it without any modification. I don't have any other /dev/input/by-id/* device created when connecting my headset. That would probably be the root of my issues. Perhaps I forgot a kernel compile option I believe this is OT for this list however? Who should I contact on this? a stock kernel should have everything that is necessary. you need uinput enabled in the kernel. the bluez folks should be able to help you. Lennart -- Lennart PoetteringRed Hat, Inc. lennart [at] poettering [dot] net http://0pointer.net/lennart/ GnuPG 0x1A015CC4 ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Using pulseaudio with speakup
I was able to get to a semi-good state by not having pulseaudio autospawn in /etc/pulse/client.conf. The computer comes up silent until I log into gnome, and Orca works. When I switch to a console, it's silent until I log in and restart speechd-up. The problem is that there is no audio at the console until I log in. There is also no audio at the gnome login. Grr... Isn't there any way to get audio working before a user logs in? Bill On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Bill Cox waywardg...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to get Ubuntu/Lucid working well with applications for the blind and visually impaired. Orca is working quite well now with pulseaudio. The other critical application is speakup, which reads text on the Ctrl+Alt+F1-6 consoles. Speakup has issues with pulseaudio, and I need some advice about working them out. It is important, but not required, that speakup run before the user logs in, so it can read the login prompt and some system messages. Ideally, it does this with speechd-up which talks to speech-dispatcher which generates speech through pulseadio. Thus, once speakup starts, it sounds like I need to somehow launch pulseaudio, as some user like gdm. When the user logs in, speechd-up needs to switch to talking to that user's instance of pulseadio, so that speach from both the console windows and Orca can stream through the same instance of speech-dispatcher. However, when I try this, the gdm version of pulseaudio seems to grab the sound card, and the second instance is mute. The obvious solution is for me to just run one copy of pulseaudio (as root?) at boot time and make all users access that copy, just like the older sound systems. However, I understand that is frowned upon by the pulseaudio developers. What is the right solution? Remember, I need sound both before logging in, and after, and they need to play nice, as the console windows may not be logged in, while the Gnome desktop is. I also prefer sound from speakup to work as soon as the module is loaded. I understand the old system for doing this, but not how to make it work with pulseaudio. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Bill ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Using pulseaudio with speakup
'Twas brillig, and Bill Cox at 31/12/09 16:07 did gyre and gimble: The problem is that there is no audio at the console until I log in. There is also no audio at the gnome login. Grr... AFAIK, the GDM login relies on autospawning, so turing off auto spawning will result in no sound at gdm login. As for speechd-up I'd recommend running it as the gdm user, not as a system user, then when the real user logs in, the gdm user's PA and speechd-up processes should die and a version for the user who is logging in should be run in it's place. I think this configuration has been discussed quite thoroughly over the last couple weeks. I'm not familiar with it, so speechd-up may require modification to work this way but it certainly seems like the most logical and secure way to run the system (the same would be true of timidity too I believe). Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/] Open Source: Mandriva Linux Contributor [http://www.mandriva.com/] PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/] Trac Hacker [http://trac.edgewall.org/] ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Using pulseaudio with speakup
Thanks for the info. Is there a simple way to kill off the gdm pulseaduio when the user logs in? Some sort of hook I can tie into? Thanks, Bill On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Bill Cox at 31/12/09 16:07 did gyre and gimble: The problem is that there is no audio at the console until I log in. There is also no audio at the gnome login. Grr... AFAIK, the GDM login relies on autospawning, so turing off auto spawning will result in no sound at gdm login. As for speechd-up I'd recommend running it as the gdm user, not as a system user, then when the real user logs in, the gdm user's PA and speechd-up processes should die and a version for the user who is logging in should be run in it's place. I think this configuration has been discussed quite thoroughly over the last couple weeks. I'm not familiar with it, so speechd-up may require modification to work this way but it certainly seems like the most logical and secure way to run the system (the same would be true of timidity too I believe). Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/] Open Source: Mandriva Linux Contributor [http://www.mandriva.com/] PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/] Trac Hacker [http://trac.edgewall.org/] ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Using pulseaudio with speakup
'Twas brillig, and Bill Cox at 31/12/09 17:13 did gyre and gimble: Thanks for the info. Is there a simple way to kill off the gdm pulseaduio when the user logs in? Some sort of hook I can tie into? It should all happen automatically: console-kit will hand over the active session to the user logging in and PA will play nicely with that. I've not looked into this in huge depth so can't really advise more than that - hopefully I'll find time to play and/or Lennart/someone else will be able to advice more practically. Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/] Open Source: Mandriva Linux Contributor [http://www.mandriva.com/] PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/] Trac Hacker [http://trac.edgewall.org/] ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Sink for event sounds? WAS: paplay - sound roles?
On Tue, 29.12.09 07:43, Ng Oon-Ee (ngoo...@gmail.com) wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 15:45 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 28.12.09 17:41, Ng Oon-Ee (ngoo...@gmail.com) wrote: Is there a way to specify a sound to be a 'system sound' as defined by System Sounds on pavucontrol, when played by paplay? If so, then programs such as pidgin which allow playing event notifications through a command would be useable without modification. paplay --property=media.role=event ... Lennart A follow-up on this, how do I move event sounds to a different sink? For other streams I simply use pavucontrol, but it doesn't seem that there's any selector for the System Sounds item. It just selects the 'normal' (laptop sound card output) and I can't figure a way to move it to my BT headset without turning the sound card output off. If you move an event sound stream to a particular device PA will remember that and apply it as well to all other streams tagged event. Of course its kinda hard doing that given that they usually are very short in time (a hackish workaround however is to play the login sound which is much longer then the rest). There is an API to modify the device for all event streams, however there is no app currently making use of this. Hopefully g-v-c will gain that feature soon. Lennart -- Lennart PoetteringRed Hat, Inc. lennart [at] poettering [dot] net http://0pointer.net/lennart/ GnuPG 0x1A015CC4 ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Sink for event sounds? WAS: paplay - sound roles?
'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 31/12/09 17:43 did gyre and gimble: There is an API to modify the device for all event streams, however there is no app currently making use of this. Hopefully g-v-c will gain that feature soon. So do you have any particular reason to not implement this in pavucontrol? It has always specifically hidden the UI element for moving the event streams but I will happily add it back in and write the appropriate stream restore rule if you don't have some fundamental objection to it? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/] Open Source: Mandriva Linux Contributor [http://www.mandriva.com/] PulseAudio Hacker [http://www.pulseaudio.org/] Trac Hacker [http://trac.edgewall.org/] ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Sink for event sounds? WAS: paplay - sound roles?
On Thu, 31.12.09 18:18, Colin Guthrie (gm...@colin.guthr.ie) wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Lennart Poettering at 31/12/09 17:43 did gyre and gimble: There is an API to modify the device for all event streams, however there is no app currently making use of this. Hopefully g-v-c will gain that feature soon. So do you have any particular reason to not implement this in pavucontrol? Yes, there is one: my laziness... ;-) It has always specifically hidden the UI element for moving the event streams but I will happily add it back in and write the appropriate stream restore rule if you don't have some fundamental objection to it? Would be great to have this feature in pavucontrol! BTW, if you touch this code anyway it might be an idea to create a new tab which lists more role-specific sliders/dropdowns than just event. I.e. a music slider, a telephony sleider and so on. Lennart -- Lennart PoetteringRed Hat, Inc. lennart [at] poettering [dot] net http://0pointer.net/lennart/ GnuPG 0x1A015CC4 ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] how to make nted work with pulseaudio
Rustom Mody wrote: Well one correction (mine and the wikis :-) The wiki talks of changing /etc/default/timidity.cfg There is no such file. The 2 files are /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg and /etc/default/timidity Evidently the wiki is referring to the second whereas I took it to be the first. Thanks, updated the wiki page. Now when I edit it as suggested there is no syntax error but it does not work The session is as shown $ sudo /etc/init.d/timidity force-reload * Stopping TiMidity++ ALSA midi emulation...[ OK ] * Starting TiMidity++ ALSA midi emulation...[ OK ] $ No protocol specified XOpenDisplay() failed Okay, so there are security barriers preventing a root client talking to a user server. A few ideas: 1) Configure the problem away somehow, if that's possible 2) Turn timidity into a user-mode daemon (this is what PulseAudio would prefer) 3) Go with FluidSynth instead of Timidity ;-) // David ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Sink for event sounds? WAS: paplay - sound roles?
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 14:59 +, Colin Guthrie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Ng Oon-Ee at 31/12/09 12:14 did gyre and gimble: For event sounds, however, the only way to get it to be on A is to set A as a default, then in the case A is disconnected, its a toss up whether B or C gets event sounds (I'm sure there's some consistency, but it may not be the one I want?). Indeed, but then again if you moved the event role to A and then disconnected it, it would be up to module-rescue-streams to relocate it appropriately too which again, may not be the one you want... so the problem still exists in this scenario too... Yet another argument for role-based, priority list of preferred devices (e.g. how I've made module-device-manager work with the KDE UI - FWIW, the setup you want is /probably/ working fine under KDE with my integration patches and PA 0.9.21...) Yes, from what I've read on your KDE work that may be the case. Unfortunately I'm quite tied to gnome =). ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] FC12 header files
That's got it, thanks! FM -Original Message- From: pulseaudio-discuss-boun...@mail.0pointer.de [mailto:pulseaudio- discuss-boun...@mail.0pointer.de] On Behalf Of Lennart Poettering Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:29 AM To: pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de Subject: Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] FC12 header files On Wed, 30.12.09 16:59, Frank W. Miller (frankwmil...@frankwmiller.net) wrote: I'm playing with the example simple recording app under FC12. The app calls out: pulse/simple.h pulse/error.h pulse/gccmacro.h but these header files are not found. Please advise? Try sudo yum install /usr/include/pulse/simple.h. (Hint: this will install the pulseaudio-libs-devel package) Please don't send HTML email to this mailing list. THank you. Lennart -- Lennart PoetteringRed Hat, Inc. lennart [at] poettering [dot] net http://0pointer.net/lennart/ GnuPG 0x1A015CC4 ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
[pulseaudio-discuss] Is running as user smart or dumb?
Since I didn't get much response with my more polite e-mail, here's what I really think, given my current ignorance about pulseaudio... PulseAudio is cool, but I fear it's over-engineered by some Ph.D's with too much elegance in their solution, and not enough real world experience. Run as user? Really? If you think you've got a good reason to do this, is it more important than sacraficing accessibility for the blind? The worst disaster for accessibility for the blind and visually impaired has been adoption of PulseAduio by the major distros. I'm personally spending insane hours trying to fix this mess, and frankly I could use some direction. We've got Orca mostly working now, but the other essential app - speakup - is still in limbo. Now the blind community has no pull. We can't tell Ubuntu to run PulseAudio as a normal deamon. As a result, our computers come up talking but then can't talk once the user logs into gnome. This is because speakup launches a process that starts pulseaudio as the gdm user, and since that process continues forever, the gdm copy of pulseaudio never dies, and the user's gnome session gets no access to the sound card, and Orca wont talk. I just need a solution. I'm frankly hoping to get more response to this more emotional e-mail than my previous polite one. I promise to be nice once I'm convinced we're not actually letting a bunch of inexperienced coders undermine the Linux sound system, which is likely to happen once I'm no longer ignorant of what the heck this user-land stuff is all about, and when I learn how to write code that gives the blind speach on their Ctrl+Alt+F1 consoles from boot, as well as after they login. You know what it's like trying to help a blind user through e-mail to figure out what to do when the computer just stops talking? Ever try to explain to a user over the phone how to use a graphical application? It's much worse than that. The sound system needs to work at boot, when we log in, and in fact all the time. Is that too much to ask? That's what I require from Ubunut/Lucid. I'm willing to write the code to make it happen. Can anyone please advise me on what code needs to be written to get speakup and Orca to both work with pulseaudio, from boot, after logging into gnome, and on the console windows? Bill ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] module-device-restore: Volume save and restore for all ports?
Hi Colin, I got a bit confused about the term port in your mail. Apparently you used it to mean something else than pulseaudio's own device port concept. In this message I will use the word port only for the pulseaudio concept. ke, 2009-12-30 kello 13:26 +, Colin Guthrie kirjoitti: As jack sensing will eventually be with us, it would make sense to save and restore the volume of all ports separately. Only saving the current port's volume would be a pain. I agree, although I don't really see how jack sensing is important here. AFAIK ports are currently only implemented by the alsa modules, and in that case separate ports are created for two different purposes: selecting the physical output or input, and selecting any options that the alsa mixer offers (for example, extra amplification switch). Regardless of jack sensing, volume should be saved and restored independently for each output/input. Now the second purpose of ports causes problems: the volume shouldn't be saved independently for the two cases of whether the extra amplification is on or off. I may have not thought this completely through, but nevertheless I propose the following: - Track port volume and mute individually. That is, whenever the active port is switched, the previous port's volume and mute state should be saved to a database and the new port's volume and mute state should be loaded from the database. - Don't treat the options as separate ports, but create a new concept for them: port options. - Thereby a port equals a physical route (port might be renamed to route, although I think port is a good enough name for the concept). - Port options are things that you can switch on and off, or choose from an enumeration. - Obviously port options are specific to ports. module-device-restore tracks the option states along with port volume and mute. Lennart, any comments? Would you accept a patch that made these changes? I'm not saying that I would definitely write the patch, but it's not impossible either. -- Tanu Kaskinen ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Media Keys on Bluetooth headsets?
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 17:02 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 29.12.09 07:24, Ng Oon-Ee (ngoo...@gmail.com) wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 16:09 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 28.12.09 08:08, Ng Oon-Ee (ngoo...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi, I've been using my Jabra Halo stereo (A2DP) headset with pulse and gnome-bluetooth for several months now, works great. A question though, does pulseaudio or gnome-bluetooth (not sure who'd be responsible for this) support the media keys (next track, previous track) on my headset, or on any bluetooth headset? I'd assume these keys are standard across headsets, since they all work on the same devices (bluetooth mp3 or cellphones etc.) bluetoothd forwards AVRCP key events to user applications by creating a virtual input device (uinput) for it in the kernel. Applications that handle /dev/input devices properly (such as X) should be able to make use of it without any modification. I don't have any other /dev/input/by-id/* device created when connecting my headset. That would probably be the root of my issues. Perhaps I forgot a kernel compile option I believe this is OT for this list however? Who should I contact on this? a stock kernel should have everything that is necessary. you need uinput enabled in the kernel. the bluez folks should be able to help you. Lennart Thanks for the specifics. Somehow uinput doesn't get loaded by default, so 'modprobe uinput' did the trick. ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss
