Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-18 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Arun Raghavan at 18/01/10 05:40 did gyre and gimble: On Thu, 2010-01-14 at 23:25 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: [...] 4 Put a bigger focus on automatically managed stream volumes. i.e. volume-follows-focus (Arun!), Whoops - kind of got off-tracked on this particular

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-17 Thread Arun Raghavan
On Thu, 2010-01-14 at 23:25 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: [...] 4 Put a bigger focus on automatically managed stream volumes. i.e. volume-follows-focus (Arun!), Whoops - kind of got off-tracked on this particular project. Last place I was stuck was how to get the window-state tracking

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-15 Thread David Kågedal
Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net writes: By the way, with the per-output stream restoring it might make sense to also include the sink name in the onscreen display that shows the stream name. So instead of just Music, it would show Music via M-Audio FastTrack Pro (Headphones). That

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-15 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and David Kågedal at 15/01/10 09:55 did gyre and gimble: Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net writes: By the way, with the per-output stream restoring it might make sense to also include the sink name in the onscreen display that shows the stream name. So instead of just

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-15 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 15.01.10 07:19, Tanu Kaskinen (ta...@iki.fi) wrote: to, 2010-01-14 kello 23:25 +0100, Lennart Poettering kirjoitti: To be a bit more constructive this is what I kinda have in mind regarding stream and device volumes: 1 in the UI prominently expose the device volume, since I

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-15 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 15.01.10 07:34, Tanu Kaskinen (ta...@iki.fi) wrote: to, 2010-01-14 kello 23:08 +0100, Lennart Poettering kirjoitti: On Thu, 07.01.10 18:30, Tanu Kaskinen (ta...@iki.fi) wrote: The logic for ToggleMute: - If all sinks are unmuted, mute all sinks. - If all sinks are

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-15 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 15.01.10 10:55, David Kågedal (dav...@lysator.liu.se) wrote: There is a related case that I mentioned a long time ago. I had a Creative X-mod USB card (I sold it, so I can no longer test this). It has a big round volume knob that I thought would be nice to use to control the volume of

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 08.01.10 01:02, Mads Kiilerich (m...@kiilerich.com) wrote: Tanu Kaskinen wrote, On 01/07/2010 05:30 PM: I have recently formed a belief that in the vast majority of cases where the user wants to tweak the volume, the best choice is to tweak the stream volume, as opposed to the

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 07.01.10 18:30, Tanu Kaskinen (ta...@iki.fi) wrote: 2. You seemed to think that after jack sensing support, users would only need to change ports to enable/disable extra amplification (or other option). But if multiple ports have speakers/mics connected to them, jack sensing doesn't

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-14 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 07.01.10 18:30, Tanu Kaskinen (ta...@iki.fi) wrote: I have recently formed a belief that in the vast majority of cases where the user wants to tweak the volume, the best choice is to tweak the stream volume, as opposed to the device volume. To be a bit more constructive this is what

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-14 Thread Tanu Kaskinen
to, 2010-01-14 kello 23:08 +0100, Lennart Poettering kirjoitti: On Thu, 07.01.10 18:30, Tanu Kaskinen (ta...@iki.fi) wrote: The logic for ToggleMute: - If all sinks are unmuted, mute all sinks. - If all sinks are muted, unmute all sinks. - If only some sinks are muted, then A)

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-09 Thread Jud Craft
Keep in mind that behind the scenes, when running one program, Pulseaudio actually treats the device volume as the current application volume, and scales other applications relative to the loudest application. This is because in terms of amplification and quietness, the actual hardware's dynamic

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-09 Thread Mads Kiilerich
Tanu Kaskinen wrote, On 01/08/2010 05:32 AM: pe, 2010-01-08 kello 01:02 +0100, Mads Kiilerich kirjoitti: FWIW I would make the opposite conclusion. The listening condition often changes, and thus I often and quickly want to adjust the volume of all streams. The relative volume of the

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-09 Thread Tanu Kaskinen
la, 2010-01-09 kello 14:06 -0500, Jud Craft kirjoitti: Keep in mind that behind the scenes, when running one program, Pulseaudio actually treats the device volume as the current application volume, and scales other applications relative to the loudest application. Sure. But the sink still has

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-09 Thread Tanu Kaskinen
su, 2010-01-10 kello 08:01 +0200, Tanu Kaskinen kirjoitti: Forwarding my reply to Mads to the list also. Ok, this is great - the forwarded content didn't seem to get through. I'll just copy-paste the message then: su, 2010-01-10 kello 00:57 +0100, Mads Kiilerich kirjoitti: Tanu Kaskinen

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-08 Thread Maarten Bosmans
2010/1/8 Tanu Kaskinen ta...@iki.fi: pe, 2010-01-08 kello 01:02 +0100, Mads Kiilerich kirjoitti: So if I adjust the volume with one application playing and then start another application then the other application will use its default volume and the relative volume will thus have changed?

[pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-07 Thread Tanu Kaskinen
ke, 2010-01-06 kello 11:17 +, Colin Guthrie kirjoitti: Still early days but: http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/01/mix-it-up/ Have fun. Nice work! I was going to write a comment to that blog entry, but it grew long and became off-topic. So I decided to start a new thread here. Regarding the