[pulseaudio-discuss] Per-application volume glitching, and an idea for multiple channel volume control

2008-12-21 Thread Jud Craft
Hello there! I've noticed a peculiar symptom using Pulseaudio (0.9.13) on Fedora 10. Particularly this is related to per-application volume. In a nutshell: 1. The system sounds entry in pavucontrol pays no attention to what volume level you set for it: on my system, it consistently resets

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Per-application volume glitching, and an idea for multiple channel volume control

2009-01-08 Thread Jud Craft
Thanks for the followup! I'm off Fedora for the moment, but I'll hop back and try the newer version soon. I'll also give your advice in #1 a shot. Regarding the always visible event slider: that's very good for the system events, but the problem comes when we install programs that do not

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Per-application volume glitching, and an idea for multiple channel volume control

2009-01-09 Thread Jud Craft
A good point, but you can't expect all Linux applications to alter their sound playback to be forward compatible with Pulse. I'm sure Skype will get right on that. :) There is still the case where programs that _do_ play long sound streams will still not be accessible when they don't play

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Per-application volume glitching, and an idea for multiple channel volume control

2009-01-09 Thread Jud Craft
On a side note, that appears to be how Vista's per-app sound panel works: it doesn't detect apps, but sound streams. Once a stream is detected, the Vista mixer leaves that app's entry on the volume panel even when the sound stops. It does seem to monitor when the app closes though, and then

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Per-application volume glitching, and an idea for multiple channel volume control

2009-01-18 Thread Jud Craft
Pardon the lack of quoting. It makes me feel as if I'm debating points, rather than discussing. But... If a media player terminated its stream it will not show up. But I would say it is a bit a constructed use case: why would you want to adjust the volume of something you don't hear? I mean,

[pulseaudio-discuss] Multiple simultaneous sinks for a single stream

2009-03-09 Thread Jud Craft
Is this possible? I haven't used Fedora in a month or two (which I regard as close to upstream as I dare to venture), but I recall that it was only possible to move a stream between sinks, as opposed to selecting different sinks for playback. I'm not sure of a good use case for that one --

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Volume problems in Pulse and alsamixer.

2009-05-23 Thread Jud Craft
Hmm. I assume that when you say that ALSA gives no reference point for 0dB on a card, this is because the cards themselves have no such reference point, correct? If every card had the same reference point, then ALSA could randomly choose one (standard, max amplification), and thus it would

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Volume problems in Pulse and alsamixer.

2009-05-23 Thread Jud Craft
Noted. The method for attaining base and shifting the dB scale makes good sense. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Sat, 23.05.09 18:42, Jud Craft (craft...@gmail.com) wrote: Hmm.  I assume that when you say that ALSA gives no reference point

[pulseaudio-discuss] Rhythmbox and Pulseaudio: per-application volume adjustment causes major ruckus

2009-05-23 Thread Jud Craft
Unlike most multimedia applications that have an internal volume meter, Rhythmbox actually communicates it's internal volume value to Pulseaudio, and Pulse in turn uses that as Rhythmbox's per-app volume. Problem: when Rhythmbox is the only app running, this means that any Main Volume adjustment

[pulseaudio-discuss] Per-app flat volume adjustment is highly unintuitive, if mathematically consistent.

2009-05-25 Thread Jud Craft
I understand how audacious it would be to post and tell you that Pulseaudio is doing the volume scaling wrong, but let me demonstrate a problem. I won't post twice -- I know you guys are busy on this list -- but I've really wanted to mention this. I've seen Redhat Bugzilla #494112, but it seems

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Rhythmbox and Pulseaudio: per-application volume adjustment causes major ruckus

2009-05-26 Thread Jud Craft
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: The control flow should go like this: user changes volume in rb UI - rb forwards that as sink input volume change to PA - PA applies it to the stream - PA forwards it via the flat vol logic to the sink volume.

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Per-app flat volume adjustment is highly unintuitive, if mathematically consistent.

2009-05-26 Thread Jud Craft
Long post coming, I apologize ahead of time. I really do appreciate you taking the time to explain it, even if I am a little frustrated (and you may be as well if I drag this thread on for much longer). First, I'm not sure what you mean by reference volume and virtual volume. My Internal Audio

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Rhythmbox and Pulseaudio: per-application volume adjustment causes major ruckus

2009-05-26 Thread Jud Craft
Forgive my nebulous use of feedback. I merely meant that changes in Rhythmbox were pushed to Pulse, and changes to Pulse were pushed back to Rhythmbox. Not that they fed into each other in series. I will admit that this echoes into the other thread, though: since this is apparently expected

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Per-app flat volume adjustment is highly unintuitive, if mathematically consistent.

2009-05-26 Thread Jud Craft
No, genuinely. I really assumed that flat-volume was a different way of presenting the relative volumes, rather than a truly different method of managing stream volume. Truthfully, I insist upon my point about Vista. They may do the same things on the inside, but in Vista, the only thing that

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Per-app flat volume adjustment is highly unintuitive, if mathematically consistent.

2009-05-26 Thread Jud Craft
Actually, wait. There is one last thing that might clue me in. Let's say I have, relative to each other, Firefox/youTube set to 100% and Banshee set to 80%. Now, imagine I'm listening to Banshee and my volume is 100%. Does flat volume mean that if I start to play a Firefox video...that Firefox

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Per-app flat volume adjustment is highly unintuitive, if mathematically consistent.

2009-05-27 Thread Jud Craft
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: Mate, please just read those mails I wrote yesterday. I'm working on it, I think I'm getting better. Note the end of this email... PA is not storing stream volumes relative to each other but relative to the

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Per-app flat volume adjustment is highly unintuitive, if mathematically consistent.

2009-05-27 Thread Jud Craft
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: Side-effect of the logic? The fact that all volumes are saved/restored relatively to the reference volume is the very core of the logic. No, no, I didn't mean to say the side effect wasn't that the volumes were

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Microphone input filter

2009-06-03 Thread Jud Craft
Your microphone should have the same capability under ALSA that it does under Windows. It's the same hardware, it's just a little harder to configure. While it's possible that it has special only make good sound under Windows drivers, you could still give Linux a shot. With my laptop mic, I

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] system sounds on KDE 4.3 too loud

2009-07-16 Thread Jud Craft
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Colin Guthriegm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: I suspect this is indeed the case. The KDE system sounds are not tied in to the pulse ones. I think there is a little hack you can do for this tho' (I've not tested): Write a small script called kdepulsenotify.sh and

[pulseaudio-discuss] Dumb-user question about configuration tsched=0

2009-07-16 Thread Jud Craft
If I revert to the old scheduling by putting tsched=0 on the module-hal-detect line in my /etc/pulse/default.pa, does the realtime-scheduling option have any effect? Or does that option only matter when the new glitchfree timing is enabled? I've noticed that Amarok1 works a lot better on my F11

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] possible headphone bug: pulse or ALSA?

2009-11-03 Thread Jud Craft
It could be that PA actually overrides what was sensed. Could you check if selecting a different connector in g-v-c makes things work for you? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Sorry to say I've still got F11 and Pulse 0.9.15, so I might not have that UI. I do know that on my Output tab I

[pulseaudio-discuss] possible headphone bug: pulse or ALSA?

2009-11-03 Thread Jud Craft
Sorry to take up your time, but if I have a headphone jack-event related bug, is that the realm of Pulse or ALSA? Specifically, my F11 install detects jack-in perfectly, EXCEPT at startup; it cannot tell from power on (and possibly from standby-resume) that I have the headphones plugged in

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] possible headphone bug: pulse or ALSA?

2009-11-03 Thread Jud Craft
PA 0.9.15 does not really touch the mixer controls except for the most basic volume control. If jack sensing is broken, than it is hence unlikely that this is PA's fault and you should file a bug against ALSA. Does PA do more for speaker control in 0.9.16? Or is this a sign that the problem

[pulseaudio-discuss] volume-independence on secondary output devices

2009-11-07 Thread Jud Craft
Hello there! I finally upgraded to F12 and Pulse 0.9.19. It appears that when I plug in a secondary output device (like my docking station's USB-type sound card) and reroute Pulse to it, I can no longer use the main volume control in GNOME to change the volume of sound output. In a way, this is

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] volume-independence on secondary output devices

2009-11-08 Thread Jud Craft
The main volume control (e.g. the applet in the system tray or the buttons on your keyboard/laptop) will control whatever device is marked as default or fallback. If you tweak this, it will work with the appropriate device. I'm not sure what you mean by fallback device. Can you set that on

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] volume-independence on secondary output devices

2009-11-08 Thread Jud Craft
Under 'Output Devices', each output has three icons on the top right of its 'box'. The first from the left is the mute icon, the second is the lock icon (looks like a shield) the third which is a green circle with a white tick is the 'set as fallback' icon. I apologize, but now I'm lost. Are

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] volume-independence on secondary output devices

2009-11-08 Thread Jud Craft
As per your first reply Jud, the setting of the default device in g-v-c should work fine and allow the volume buttons to adjust the appropriate device, so dunno why that's not working :( I see. So this is not an intentional functionality change. Well, this worked automatically in F11's Sound

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] volume-independence on secondary output devices

2009-11-08 Thread Jud Craft
This also causes problems with flat volumes too -- my flat volumes don't seem to be applied (ex., to Rhythmbox) when using the external USB output. ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] 0.9.20 Regression: PCM not controlled

2009-11-17 Thread Jud Craft
I think this may possibly fix my problem with volume control not working on external USB speakers as well. ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] possible headphone bug: pulse or ALSA?

2009-11-17 Thread Jud Craft
Just wanted to say that this problem was fixed in the newer 0.9.19 in Fedora. Thanks! ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] 0.9.20 Regression: PCM not controlled

2009-11-28 Thread Jud Craft
The new 0.9.21 just hit Fedora 12, and volume control on external USB speakers works just fine again. I'm pretty sure this did it! ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de

[pulseaudio-discuss] Save volume per physical output.

2010-01-05 Thread Jud Craft
Hey there. I was inspired by a recently named thread, but this is a separate question. I often run my headphones at a different volume than my external speakers (so my laptop doesn't blow my ears out). I know that Gnome-V-C lets you set the volume for the current default output (headphone jack

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Save volume per physical output.

2010-01-05 Thread Jud Craft
Such a curse to be redundant. :) I apologize. ___ pulseaudio-discuss mailing list pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de https://tango.0pointer.de/mailman/listinfo/pulseaudio-discuss

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] limits on maximum device volume?

2010-01-06 Thread Jud Craft
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote: I still see this too, but not for the full duration of the louder sound, just at the fringes - e.g. when it starts and when it ends. We discussed the problem a while back Lennart and you reckoned it was something that wasn't going to be

Re: [pulseaudio-discuss] Stream volumes as the universal volume adjustment method

2010-01-09 Thread Jud Craft
Keep in mind that behind the scenes, when running one program, Pulseaudio actually treats the device volume as the current application volume, and scales other applications relative to the loudest application. This is because in terms of amplification and quietness, the actual hardware's dynamic