Re: [PVE-User] HA question

2016-10-05 Thread Thomas Lamprecht
Hi, On 10/05/2016 09:52 PM, Lindsay Mathieson wrote: On 6/10/2016 1:09 AM, Thomas Lamprecht wrote: Please *always* read the documentation if you want HA and if you want to use it in production you surely shouldn't assume anything and read the docs first. Ignores the point people are making

Re: [PVE-User] HA question

2016-10-05 Thread Lindsay Mathieson
On 6/10/2016 1:09 AM, Thomas Lamprecht wrote: Please *always* read the documentation if you want HA and if you want to use it in production you surely shouldn't assume anything and read the docs first. Ignores the point people are making - if you use stop its because you *need* to. Now they

Re: [PVE-User] ProxMox 4.2 SMART on HP RAID

2016-10-05 Thread Hexis
Cool. Thanks! On 10/5/2016 8:05 AM, John Crisp wrote: On 05/10/16 01:52, Hexis wrote: Does anyone here use an HP RAID (HP P410, etc.) with ProxMox and monitor the SMART status on the drives using smartctl or another method? I want to monitory my server via SNMP for drive health and I am

Re: [PVE-User] HA question

2016-10-05 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:35:28 +0200 Michael Rasmussen wrote: > My biggest issue with the current functionality is that I sometimes > forgets a VM is HA enabled so pressing 'Shutdown' to be able to do > maintenance has the unwanted side effect of a reboot. Maybe the > shutdown and

Re: [PVE-User] HA question

2016-10-05 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:17:22 +0200 Thomas Lamprecht wrote: > > We can pick it up again, if someone is willing to open a bug report at > https://bugzilla.proxmox.com/ to help me track this issue would be great. > I can do it too myself tomorrow.. > As changing the

Re: [PVE-User] HA question

2016-10-05 Thread Kevin Lemonnier
> jokes aside, we evaluated the option of the clean shutdown for HA > and changing it for the stop command. But it was seen is minor (annoying) > problem and other more important stuff let me forgot about that. I can understand that, it's clearly not a priority, but it would be nice ! > > We

Re: [PVE-User] HA question

2016-10-05 Thread Kevin Lemonnier
> > > Our reason for this is that a HA enabled service should be *cleanly* shutdown. > Stopping a VM is like pulling the power cord out, which can be bad :) > We can re evaluate that. For us HA managed service are thought for service > which have to run and do that always. > "Killing" them often

Re: [PVE-User] HA question

2016-10-05 Thread Thomas Lamprecht
Hi, On 05.10.2016 14:11, mj wrote: Hi, Just noticed something we find counterintuitive in proxmox: We are using HA for some of our machines. As we needed to work on an HA-managed machine, we disabled HA, so that we could manually halt/reboot/start it. But to our surprise, the "disable"

Re: [PVE-User] HA question

2016-10-05 Thread Michael Rasmussen
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:01:23 +0200 Thomas Lamprecht wrote: > > Our reason for this is that a HA enabled service should be *cleanly* shutdown. > Stopping a VM is like pulling the power cord out, which can be bad :) > We can re evaluate that. For us HA managed service are

Re: [PVE-User] HA question

2016-10-05 Thread Thomas Lamprecht
Hi, On 05.10.2016 14:43, mj wrote: Hi Kevin, On 10/05/2016 02:25 PM, Kevin Lemonnier wrote: Just as it's weird and very very annoying that you can't "Stop" a VM when HA is enabled. If you click on "Stop", it actually tries to do a shutdown on it, and only does an actual stop after that times

Re: [PVE-User] HA question

2016-10-05 Thread David Lawley
Not that this pertains to your situation, just a share/fyi pre v4 I had an occasion where I enabled HA a few VMs (while running) and ended up with what I will call ghost VMs running. Hope its better now, but if and when I return to this feature I'm sure I will use extra caution. The way I

Re: [PVE-User] ProxMox 4.2 SMART on HP RAID

2016-10-05 Thread John Crisp
On 05/10/16 01:52, Hexis wrote: > Does anyone here use an HP RAID (HP P410, etc.) with ProxMox and monitor > the SMART status on the drives using smartctl or another method? I want > to monitory my server via SNMP for drive health and I am attempting to > determine the best way to do this. > If

Re: [PVE-User] HA question

2016-10-05 Thread mj
Hi Kevin, On 10/05/2016 02:25 PM, Kevin Lemonnier wrote: Just as it's weird and very very annoying that you can't "Stop" a VM when HA is enabled. If you click on "Stop", it actually tries to do a shutdown on it, and only does an actual stop after that times out. So much time lost waiting for

Re: [PVE-User] HA question

2016-10-05 Thread Kevin Lemonnier
> > Are we the only ones feeling this? > No, I killed a few production VMs because of this too. Took me longer than I'd like to admit to understand why the VMs where powering down .. Just as it's weird and very very annoying that you can't "Stop" a VM when HA is enabled. If you click on

[PVE-User] HA question

2016-10-05 Thread mj
Hi, Just noticed something we find counterintuitive in proxmox: We are using HA for some of our machines. As we needed to work on an HA-managed machine, we disabled HA, so that we could manually halt/reboot/start it. But to our surprise, the "disable" button in HA actually seems to mean: