Re: [pylons-discuss] Re: using pyramid without an ORM ?

2022-08-18 Thread Ian Wilson
I guess SQLAlchemy is complicated but we are talking about a library for interacting with SQL(!) (and sometimes even mysql!). The amount of effort that has been put into the design, the documentation, the support, the migration notes, deprecation warnings, BWC, etc. is inspiring. We are spoiled in

Re: [pylons-discuss] Re: using pyramid without an ORM ?

2022-08-18 Thread Mike Orr
On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 5:03 AM Mikko Ohtamaa wrote: > Nowadays I program SQLAlchemy by using StackOverflow. This is after 10 years > of using SQLAlchemy. Makes the process more tolerable. However, the extra > power you get from it in a big project is worth it. The project needs to be a > big t

Re: [pylons-discuss] Re: using pyramid without an ORM ?

2022-08-18 Thread Mikko Ohtamaa
Hi all, A very interesting discussion thread! > > thats my own opinion , there is nothing wrong with SQLALCHEMY but I don't > quite understand whats going on internally so I stopped. > This might be a bit off-topic, but this is the weak area of SqlAlchemy. It is very brilliant engineering, but i

Re: [pylons-discuss] Re: using pyramid without an ORM ?

2022-08-18 Thread pzzcc
I would like to thank you for taking the time to reply and simplify things. yes I would like to go lower / close to metal because there is a lot of postgresql API that I would like to access and experiment with. I don't want to fight with any abstraction layer and development time is really n