thanks eric.
that is what i'm talking about!
i've got my version working with formencode. in addition to the gist
above, i decided to just go ahead and set up
pyramid_formencode_classic on pypi and github (
https://github.com/jvanasco/pyramid_formencode_classic )
if i have some time this week
wanted to add to this thread:
after a lot of testing, I've noted that my 'cleanup' subscriber
solution only works if you RETURN the HTTPFound.
If you raise an HTTPFound, there's no way to catch the original
request object
it appears that event.request.response is overwritten with a new
instance o
thanks!
On Feb 8, 1:45 pm, Chris McDonough wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 10:32 -0800, Jonathan Vanasco wrote:
> > i've got some debugging info on event subscribers; i'd like keep them
> > from running on the static elements / debug toolbar, etc
>
> The view isn&#
i've got some debugging info on event subscribers; i'd like keep them
from running on the static elements / debug toolbar, etc
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thanks.
i ended up writing a quick subscriber package:
https://gist.github.com/1771046
it supports two methods:
1- migrates headers into the redirect ( I opted to use .extend instead
of merge_cookies, because i already had to pull the cookie data )
2- stashes the cookies into a "@cookie-xfer" s
I've done something similar in the past.
1. I suggest expanding the logic a bit- log the filename , along with
timestamp and session id
2. have a cronjob that deletes files associated with sessions that
were last used outside a given window
session cleanups within an app tend to only happen if so
This was driving me crazy for a while. Finally i realized that
Pyramid doesn't send any SetCookie commands when a redirect is called,
because the HTTPFound is oblivious to the request.
It's not entirely recommended to set cookies with a redirect as not
all browsers accept them ( only Safari doesn
thanks to both.
i don't have a "real" subrequest going on - i'm passing in the name of
the function that I'm calling... so its more like an emulation of a
subrequest.
I think i can get this working. ill post the result.
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i'm trying to emulate how pylons used subrequests to handle htmlfill
population on errors ( i'm using pyramid_handlers )
in my pylons emulation code, i have this:
def form_reprint( request, form_print_method , **htmlfill_kwargs ):
response= form_print_method()
to call it, i would do:
ret
small request for the next website:
could the "Projects" and "Documentation" dropdowns please include
links to the "library" packages
example:
Deform lists PylonsProject.com as the homepage on PyPi (
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/deform )
If you click that link , there's no mention of it - or the
the line above should actually be:
static_subdir= event.app.registry.settings['deform.static_subdir']
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yep, know all that.
I meant i wanted to know if anyone has automated this for production ,
as part of a pyramid/deform integration package
essentially the following:
---
myapp/__init__.py
from pyramid.events import ApplicationCreated
from pyramid.events import subscriber
Sorry, i think I was unclear:
If i do either of those methods, which i do now, requests are still
going through the WSGI server.
- I want to bypass that completely, by making the actual files of the
referenced deform library directly accessible to the frontend server
( which would be nginx or var
you could just make it with sqlalchemy, then delete the handful of
lines . the integration is barely anything.
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Well... I could probably do these validations within the validators, I
just don't want to.
I've got the gist ( https://gist.github.com/1734244 ) working pretty
much perfectly to handle my needs right now. I dropped all the
'validators' handling, and am just limiting it to schemas -- because
its s
kickstarter?
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could we rename pyramid_handlers to pyramid_controllers ? its the
pylons appropriate name for them, and would probably solve a handful
of issues.
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hopefully someone will suggest a deform method...
until then, i ported my modified version of the old pylons validation
to pyramid...
https://gist.github.com/1734244
- i didn't port the decorator, as i rarely use it [ and i couldn't
figure out a good way to do it without mandating that a viewcla
Thanks. I very much don't want to have that sort of pattern in
programming though -- where the application logic becomes shifted into
the form validation. I've run into too many issues with that making
maintenance a nightmare, or causing 'expensive' calls to needlessly be
made.
I really want / n
via FormEncode under Pylons, I was able to mark a valid field as
invalid, and then reprint.
i'm wondering if this is possible with deform.
a pseudocode example of this in action would be something like this:
def login(self):
formLogin = deform.Form(FormLogin(_)
posted = sel
great. that looks good.
I need to read up more on views vs handlers.
since i use "render_to_response" for most things, I should have an
easy transition
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under pylons I had a lot of code that did misc prep work for certain
methods in the request.
because every view was an instance, it was pretty safe to just store
stuff in the instance of the 'handler' class, and i didn't need to
store it into the request object.
i'm not sure how pyramid is set up
under all the integration docs, deform ends up being set as a static
route under pyramid as /deform
i'm wondering - has anybody put together a solution that can have one
of these ( or similar ) happen during the startup/config process :
1- copy deform's /static files to app/static/deform
2- symli
I just noticed this..
under pylons, mako templates are cached into app/data/templates/$name
$.mako.py
under pyramid, i don't see where they're cached - if at all.
anyone have a clue ?
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mike- thanks. clears it up.
i'm still using a mixture of @action and , increasingly,
render_to_response.
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this is great. thanks!
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On Feb 1, 3:19 pm, Mike Orr wrote:
> Actually, the closest thing to controllers is view classes.
> pyramid_handlers is one way to manage view classes, but increasingly
> people are "doing it themselves" with @view_config.
Could you point me to something where someone "does it themselves"?
Jus
my .02¢ is this:
App Developers like features like 'Globals'. It's something that is
familiar-from, and present-in many other frameworks.
Granted, pyramid is a low-level framework - and one that a more 'webmonkey'
friendly framework might be built upon itself. But those frameworks are
likely
I come from Pylons, where we had the g globals object. I miss it
dearly.
The Pyramid/Repoze group seems very much into the idea of passing a
request around all the time. I don't like that, mostly from the 'mass
appeal route' , in that its something that just about every other
framework has, and c
ah. well, I'd highly recommend doing that if you need to speed up your
system. it cuts down on CPU and memory usage drastically.
On Jan 30, 2:20 pm, Raoul Snyman wrote:
> On 30 January 2012 20:25, Jonathan Vanasco wrote:
>
> > You've got nginx configured to serve static
could you share the code that raised the exception , or an
approximation of it ?
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Raoul -
You've got nginx configured to serve static files directly, right? If
not, that'll really improve your system.
On Jan 30, 12:48 pm, Raoul Snyman wrote:
> On 30 January 2012 19:20, cd34 wrote:
>
> > You could use uwsgi (http://projects.unbit.it/uwsgi/) which I think is
> > a lot better
re: Michael Bayer & Mike Orr
thanks for the pointers. wish i had checked in on this thread before
coding last night :[
I already updated some old pylons code (and sqlalchemy .4 version) to
work under pyramid and take advantage of zope
i tossed it online here : https://gist.github.com/1686834
ugly, but this seems to work for now...
https://gist.github.com/1686834
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thanks. that post made me realize that I might just be able to port
some old Pylons code to work with Pyramid.
i've been using a mixture of what is essentially Mike Bayer's post +
Mike Orr's sqlahelper for the past 4 years. i should just port it and
package it for github
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I've set up my application with multiple database connections to
postgresql, which then reflects the table structure into my classes
under /models. i am using sqlahelper.
myapp_reader can read to all tables
myapp_writer can read and write to all tables
what I 'expected' is as follows:
- calls to
i just tossed this on github and pypi - facebook_utils
https://github.com/jvanasco/facebook_utils
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/facebook_utils
it wraps the current facebook user flows. the official python sdk
from facebook is deprecated and unsupported.
the main class is FacebookHub
an ancillary
Perfect. thanks!
On Jan 24, 1:13 pm, Michael Merickel wrote:
> request.registry.settings
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on setup, I need to stash some information from the environment.ini
script , which will be used on every request ( the facebook app ids
for dev & production ).
the only way i can see doing it right now, is to either:
1. Create a "globals" dict in app/__init__.py
2. in app/__init__.py:main , push
someone on this list, not too long ago , wanted to render their
javascript/css with mako or jinja templates. so they'd be normal
javascript / css files -- but in production they might have some
different vars or images. an example in practice: on an earlier
version of a website ( which I had inh
I've done stuff like this before - but under mod_perl, not python - I
think the same trick would work though...
1. The javascript "source" files were held out of the website/
application root - just for security and safety. they're held in
something called "assets/javascript/-source"
2. On applic
ok. i'll migrate the docs from the docstrings into the toplevel
distro ;)
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> Maybe these aren't doing the same thing, but another approach is to write a
> WSGI middleware ala Tres Seaver's repoze.urchin:
>
> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/repoze.urchin
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Jonathan Vanasco
> wrote:
>
it's on github -- https://github.com/jvanasco/pyramid_gaq
it's fairly simple:
- import it into helpers
- in your base handler's __init__ call : gaq_setup( request,
'account_id' )
- set custom vars, events, etc, with commands that mimic the gaq
commands - ie: _setCustomVar -> gaq _setCustomVar
-
I'm PERSONALLY not a fan of traversal , or of having that super REST
oriented stuff. For short projects, like an ad campaign or prototyping
a demo, i think its fine. For long term stuff, ajax functionality and
requirements change.. so I prefer to just support a versioned API and
consolidate everyt
As a matter of preference, I like to treat ajax in my pylons/pyramid
apps in a very structured and repeatable way...
1. everything hits /api-public/versionX or /api-internal
2. i use a standard response object / formatting
3. i wrap everything in a try/except
4. i commit/rollback
the return value
make sure to bench in terms of concurrency and try to send a long term
cache control header.
the problem i experienced years ago under similar setups (mod_perl and
mod_python) was this: the render/etc times were really nothing or the
items were served 'raw' by the app -- but all the js / css / im
I've preferred the relative and @base solutions before without much
issue.
i'm assuming you're talking about https://launchpad.net/sloecode/trunk
I would really focus on keeping the css out of the templating system.
your css/img/js files really should never touch a dynamic server in a
production
Thanks. This ended up helping quite a bit!
I haven't gotten into multiple databases yet, but I think it should be
supported trivially
I refactored your code for re-use into this pastebin -
https://gist.github.com/1556734
I tried to make it simpler, but there is a bit of a janky hack in
there.
I wish I was online over the holidays to take part in this discussion.
Here's my .02¢ :
- I think SqlAlchemy is the best ORM out there, and it's honestly been
the deciding factor for me going with Pylons and sticking with
Pyramid.
- I think Pyramid core really needs to have a concrete DB/ORM plug
I ran into similar confusions as you a few weeks back.
What I realized is that Velruse - and some other packages - kind of
exist as standalone authentication micro-apps that wrap other auth
libraries, and not as libraries to build that functionality into your
own app as you would want. For some p
wrote:
> On Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:07:40 PM UTC-8, Jonathan Vanasco wrote:
>
> > ...
>
> > 2. Have my models reflect the database. With some custom routines, I
> > largely just had to pass in a string for the tablename and a sometimes
> > primary key .
>
> >
I *think* wyatt might be referencing a technique similar to how
Facebook Connect works.
- In your templates, you can just set a JS variable/object in JSON ,
and then have your external JS files reference it on load.
- Between using that, and a lot of callbacks in your JS code, you can
keep most o
I'm now using pyramid for some projects.
Under Pylons I would almost always do the following:
1. Use multiple Engines ( Write, Read, Config, Log ) which each had
different permissions in PostgreSQL.
2. Have my models reflect the database. With some custom routines, I
largely just had to pass in
I've built dozens of sites over the past 14 or so years , with Ad
Agencies, Large Brands, Tech Startups, Major Media companies.
Doing this, I've learned that Frameworks are really really great for
the run-of-the-mill project that has a quick deadline, doesn't do
anything new & exciting, and has a
Exactly what do you want to do - and why ?
You're talking about adding a new sort parameter to the "current
url". If you meant that you want to change the URL, then you have two
options:
1. return a pyramid.httpexceptions.HTTPFound . you'd want to do this
before you touch the database or any oth
The following line works fine:
self.request.response.set_cookie( 'fb-loggedin',
value='1', max_age=None, path='/' )
However, this line creates an interesting error
self.request.response.set_cookie( 'fb-loggedin', value=1,
max_age=None, path='/' )
"IOError: [Errno 20] Not a
thanks kindly! i probably glanced over that line a dozen times.
On Dec 6, 1:32 pm, Chris McDonough wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 10:28 -0800, Jonathan Vanasco wrote:
> > in pylons , i only had to do :
>
> > from pylons import config
>
> > and then all my (developme
in pylons , i only had to do :
from pylons import config
and then all my (development|production).ini info was available
what is the equivalent under pyramid ? i can't seem to figure it out.
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On Dec 4, 8:11 pm, Mike Orr wrote:
> By the way, I'm working on Akhet 2 which will not have an application
> scaffold, but expanded docs instead. So the days of the 'akhet'
> scaffold are numbered.
Sigh. I do like the scaffold. It's mostly going to be replaced with
pyramid_sqla though - right
so you sort of solved this. you at least pointed me in the right
direction to experiment!
works:
@action(renderer='json')
doesn't work:
@view_config(renderer='json')
On Dec 4, 8:11 pm, Mike Orr wrote:
> I don't think so, but akhet does use pyramid_handlers, so it's attuned
> to @a
dicts and lists don't work. i posted a list to the group, because its
the simplest object.
On Dec 4, 7:08 pm, John Anderson wrote:
> You should return a dictionary not a list.
>
> rval = {'values': [1,2,4]}
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Jonathan Vanasco wrot
i'm using pyramid with akhet
according to the docs, i should be able to do something like this:
@view_config(renderer='json')
def login_status(self):
rval= [1,2,4]
return rval
That creates an error for me:
ValueError: Could not convert view return value "[1, 2, 4]" in
No idea. Is there any way to log/debug what is happening within vim?
FYI:
My normal workflow though is:
Terminal window 1:
$ paster serve --reload development.ini
Terminal window 2-10
vim, postgres, etc
+ textwrangler windows
On Dec 2, 10:47 am, Mark Erbaugh wrote:
> I'm developing w
@John Anderson
You could do that, but then you're using the Pyramid auth/security
framewor - and i want to stay away from it. i'm not a fan of its
design, and it won't work easily/quickly with how I like to build
apps.
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On Nov 30, 12:24 pm, Michael Bayer wrote:
> careful with "environment" variables though - regular shell variables can be
> viewed in a ps listing (-E flag ).
Correct. But most people won't be running apps on a shared machine
these days. When people do, most hosts run virtualization or
'lockdo
You may be over-thinking this.
The only good reason I've encountered to not have the passwords within
the codebase, is worries of :
1. a web config makes the file viewable as plaintext
2. a web config makes the file's revision control info viewable as
plaintext
3. not trusting the source
On Nov 29, 9:23 pm, Michael Merickel wrote:
> Regardless, I hope this is way too much information about Pyramid internals
> and I'm curious what you're planning on doing that you'd need to trace the
> undocumented apis.
First, thanks a TON!
This is *way* too much info indeed!
I just wanted to
it's in the Configurator an the action_method decorator
just wondering what it is, i'm knee deep trying to understand the
architecture
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Thanks Michael and Chris!
Michael's solution worked instantly. I was having trouble getting
Chris's to work... then realized that I was running pyramid_handlers
0.1 , not 0.4. instant gratification after upgrade!
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Pylons had a nice little convenience method under the hood...
If i had the equivalent of:
config.add_handler("account", "/account/{action}",
"myapp.handlers.account:AccountHandler",)
a request to-
account/sign-up
would map to-
class AccountHandler:
def sign_up():
thanks all for the insight.
a couple of quick responses :
1. i like to put 'device' and feature detection client-side as much as
possible, but i've encountered situations where you need to implement
a server-side solution:
a) the webpage is too large , and you want to keep all JS running
until
I've been trying to figure out the best way to handle mobile browser
detection.
I was hoping to find something in the Pyramid stack, but didn't.
After searching online, I found a handful of various projects - with
the bulk of them aimed at Django.
I found a simple version based on a regex, and p
when is a good time for us to connect on aim/irc/etc and plan some
integration stuff out ?
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I think pyramid_simpleform is the easiest.
I forked it and added a method to handle form reprints. I think its
in that sqla fork I shared with you too. if you stick to the
following paradigm, it works well:
def form_dispatch:
if request.submit:
return self._form_submit
return se
thanks. the accepted ips don't need to be db based. the notion is
that you can trivially ensure that a request is through your gateway
and doesn't have spoofed headers if the application recognizes both a
the ip of the server and a secret that only those ips would know.
for example, you would co
i'm trying to port an old perl project ( which was essentially
middleware for the mod_perl environment ) to Pyramid/WSGI
The basic premise is that it:
- migrates the x-fowraded-for header into remote-addr
- but only from accepted servers by ip
- but only from accepted servers with a lan secret
th
i've noticed a lot of -discuss items being spoken about in -devel
lately... i had often thought that -discuss was for people /using/
pyramid, and -devel was for people /building/ it.
if that is still the case, can i suggest the -devel list make a firm
policy of having people repost here?
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Great news to see traction!
I've been busy porting over a microframework we used under Pylons for
many projects to Pyramid and shared with some trusted friends. The
application design is changing quite a bit due to pyramid, so its a
complete rewrite. I'm taking this as an opportunity to just sta
just noticed that ContextObj and AttribSafeContextObj are not in
pyramid.
are there versions in pyramid, or are they gone ?
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just noticed that ContextObj and AttribSafeContextObj are not in
pyramid.
are there versions in pyramid, or are they gone ?
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have you looked at the pyramid_sqla stuff ? i think mike orr may have
done some of this.
in my pylons apps, ive never needed sessions to persist between
requests.. so i looked more at global settings and request based
stashes.
On Feb 24, 9:51 pm, Wyatt Baldwin wrote:
> In Pylons, there's a reco
you should ask on the cherrypy list. that is another webserver,
different than pylons.
On Feb 24, 3:48 am, Sandeep Kulkarni
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Following is my back end code in python.
>
> def download_key(self):
> import cherrypy
> cherrypy.response.headers['Content-Type'] =
>
gt; Do this, then use "raise
> pyramid.httpexceptions.HTTPFound(location='http://...')" wherever you
> need to do a redirect.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 09:06 -0800, Jonathan Vanasco wrote:
> > i'm trying to port some custom pylons authentication , whic
i'm trying to port some custom pylons authentication , which had
redirects in __init__ and __before__
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after fighting for a while, i got the functionality i needed , and
integrated it with form processing
i forked pyramid_simpleform on bitbucket and refactored
`_form_reprint` into `handler_reprint`.
it was pain to figure out how to munge the response object
correctly... and i should probably chang
To be clear:
This works:
@action(renderer='/test_a.mako')
def test_a1(self):
return {'project':'myapp'}
@action(renderer='/test_b.mako')
def test_b1(self):
return {'project':'myapp'}
def test_c1(self):
return render_to_response('/test_b.mako', self.te
sorry, let me rephrase - is it possible to dispatch to another
function and have it handle the render + define the template ?
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i'm trying to figure out some paradigms in pyramid
using the pyramid_sqla template...
if i have:
@action(renderer='/account/test_a.mako')
def test_a(self):
return {'project':'myapp'}
@action(renderer='/account/test_b.mako')
def test_b(self):
return {'project':'my
personally, think it would be best to decouple the moving parts as
much as possible
to me, there is :
html form creation - great if this is baked-in, but it shouldn't be
required
form validation - i think formencode is fine, but i often use it as
a first-pass and then handle things in my co
I've forked Mike's pyramid_sqla , and have been extending the
templates to be more familiar to pylons users.
Namely:
1- making the app structure seem more like a more mature pylons 1.0
app
2- added some reference functions around form submissions , beaker
session usage , etc
3- integrated some rou
On Feb 18, 12:21 pm, Ben Bangert wrote:
> Getting there got the Pylons framework on there, and most everything is
> on GitHub that the Pylons Project encompassas. Which projects were you
> referring to that aren't?
pyramid_sqla isn't. If Mike Orr wants help learning git/github , i'd
be
1. I think it would be better if everything related to Pyramid/Pylons
were on a single system ( ie: GitHub or BitBucket ).
2. The Pyramid stuff should have better linkage on PylonsHQ.com ; its
a text-link buried in paragraphs.
3. I'm looking at the pyramid_sqla template. question.. i see stuff
li
On Feb 14, 10:08 pm, Mike Orr wrote:
> Have you seen the pyramid_sqla package, which includes an application
> template? It addresses these three.
Nope. Took a lot of combing to find. It was kind of hidden under
some text on the Pyramid intro. Would be great to see that in another
"tool tip"
I spent some time today with Pyramid. It was a bit of a rollercoaster
-- at times I was very excited, at others very stressed. i figured
i'd share my thoughts here for the maintainers.
1. on setting up an app, there were no instructions on how to setup
for a postgres 'url' in sqlalchemy ; in fac
i'm looking at porting some stuff over, and after reading the docs
have a few concerns:
- under pylons i have multiple db connections : read, write, log,
admin-write, etc. each has different db permissions to ensure
security and tie in with clustering. all the Pyramid examples I've
seen revolve
I've done a lot of cross-language systems. They're really quite easy.
The main issue with them is session data, but everyone can read YAML
and JSON. while they're not as fast as natively pickled/packed data,
even the slowest systems around can process them with ease.
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i tried it a while back, and then gave up.
i don't think its worth it, because facebook has changed the way the
apps work so many damn times
i think you'd be better off just using one of the many full-featured,
mature, has-tons-of-people-maintaining-it php libraries that are out
there , and let t
beautiful soup lets you do it too, and fixes the document while its at
it...
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i've been working on something similar that is pylons based for a
while; but they're already up and running
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