[PyMOL] Start PyMOL session in web browser

2010-12-19 Thread Martin Hediger
Dear all
Is it possible to start a PyMOL viewer through a web browser? What I 
mean by this is, is it possible to view a protein over the internet 
where the viewing features are provided by some limited PyMOL server? 
The only thing able to do that right now is Jmol, but i think its very 
inconvenient to use when viewing large structures such as proteins.

Thanks for your answers
Martin

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Re: [PyMOL] Start PyMOL session in web browser

2010-12-19 Thread Rich
On 19-12-2010 7:37, Martin Hediger wrote:
 Dear all
 Is it possible to start a PyMOL viewer through a web browser? What I
 mean by this is, is it possible to view a protein over the internet
 where the viewing features are provided by some limited PyMOL server?
 The only thing able to do that right now is Jmol, but i think its very
 inconvenient to use when viewing large structures such as proteins.

Have you tried asking about what you find inconvenient about Jmol on the 
Jmol list? Perhaps the behaviour that you don't like could be addressed? 
I know a of of people seem satisfied to use Jmol for browser-based 
rendering.

Rich

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Re: [PyMOL] Start PyMOL session in web browser

2010-12-19 Thread David Hall
Jmol certainly is not the only thing able to do that.

In the applet world, you have at least OpenAstexViewer 
http://openastexviewer.net/web/ , but I also imagine it is possible to build a 
(jogl-accellerated) applet using jymol http://www.pymol.org/jymol , but I'm 
fairly certain it is not open source.

In the html5 world, you have jolecules http://jolecule.appspot.com/ , canvasmol 
http://alteredqualia.com/canvasmol/ , and chemdoodle web components 
http://web.chemdoodle.com/

-David

On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Martin Hediger ma@bluewin.ch wrote:

 Dear all
 Is it possible to start a PyMOL viewer through a web browser? What I 
 mean by this is, is it possible to view a protein over the internet 
 where the viewing features are provided by some limited PyMOL server? 
 The only thing able to do that right now is Jmol, but i think its very 
 inconvenient to use when viewing large structures such as proteins.
 
 Thanks for your answers
 Martin
 
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Re: [PyMOL] Start PyMOL session in web browser

2010-12-19 Thread Michal Kurowski
Martin Hediger [ma@bluewin.ch] wrote:
 Is it possible to start a PyMOL viewer through a web browser? What I 
 mean by this is, is it possible to view a protein over the internet 
 where the viewing features are provided by some limited PyMOL server? 
 The only thing able to do that right now is Jmol, but i think its very 
 inconvenient to use when viewing large structures such as proteins.

Normally you do this client side by using a mailcap entry.
It's far more powerful  then a jmol applet. 

Old fashioned rasmol used to be popular.
It would be interesting to see pymol in this usage case.
I'm afraid it hasn't been done yet.

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Re: [PyMOL] Start PyMOL session in web browser

2010-12-19 Thread Martin Hediger
Of course, Jmol is very poweful and I am using it as well for many things.
Inconvenient probably is the wrong word, I just find the PyMOL handling 
of large molecules a bit more intuitive. As far as I can see, there are 
more view options in PyMOL (Ribbons, Surfaces, etc), this would be 
particularyl helpful.
Anyway, the questions remains, how one could run a PyMOL session through 
a web browser. I will be looking at the input from the previous postings.






Am 19.12.10 14:11, schrieb Rich:
 On 19-12-2010 7:37, Martin Hediger wrote:
 Dear all
 Is it possible to start a PyMOL viewer through a web browser? What I
 mean by this is, is it possible to view a protein over the internet
 where the viewing features are provided by some limited PyMOL server?
 The only thing able to do that right now is Jmol, but i think its very
 inconvenient to use when viewing large structures such as proteins.
 Have you tried asking about what you find inconvenient about Jmol on the
 Jmol list? Perhaps the behaviour that you don't like could be addressed?
 I know a of of people seem satisfied to use Jmol for browser-based
 rendering.

 Rich

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Re: [PyMOL] Start PyMOL session in web browser

2010-12-19 Thread Rich
On 19-12-2010 10:27, Martin Hediger wrote:
 Of course, Jmol is very poweful and I am using it as well for many things.
 Inconvenient probably is the wrong word, I just find the PyMOL handling
 of large molecules a bit more intuitive.

Understood.

  As far as I can see, there are
 more view options in PyMOL (Ribbons, Surfaces, etc), this would be
 particularyl helpful.

As long as you are basing your evaluation on the latest versions of Jmol 
because it has changed a lot over the last couple of years. Current 
versions do handle ribbons and surfaces.

 Anyway, the questions remains, how one could run a PyMOL session through
 a web browser. I will be looking at the input from the previous postings.

As far as I know it isn't possible which is why Jmol is a choice. 
Although one of the other options may fit better with your needs even 
though they aren't PyMol either.

There was some talk quite a while ago about a different version of PyMol 
that could do this but I don't think it ever got off the ground.

Rich

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