Re: [PyMOL] raytracing a transparant surface, with reflections only on the cofactors inside
Hello thanks for all your help! I managed to fix the issue with the ray_transparency_contrast setting. @Tsjerk Thanks for your help. But this afternoon I have to teach. Maybe some other day? Floris On 14-01-15 20:38, Sampson, Jared wrote: Thanks for the correction, Thomas. I saw the following in the terminal window and thought it meant the setting was applied as I intended: PyMOLset spec_reflect, 0, all and not org Setting: spec_reflect set for 2105 atoms in object 1shv. PyMOLset spec_reflect, 1, org Setting: spec_reflect set for 35 atoms in object “1shv”. (You’d think I’d know better after having worked with lighting in my COLLADA export project...) Perhaps it would be helpful for cmd.set() to output some kind of warning if a selection argument is given, but the setting can only be applied globally? Cheers, Jared -- Jared Sampson Xiangpeng Kong Lab NYU Langone Medical Center http://kong.med.nyu.edu/ On Jan 14, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Tsjerk Wassenaar tsje...@gmail.com mailto:tsje...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Thanks for chiming in. I guess this would be a step towards textures/finishes. I would really like to see more extended support for those in Pymol. Of course that would mostly serve artistic purposes, but I'd gladly raise the suggestion that it can do wonders for highlighting :) Floris, I can join you in the lab tomorrow afternoon (~15pm?), and we can have a look what we can do. Maybe a POV-Ray session, like in the old days :) Maybe I can even find my finish settings somewhere :) Cheers, Tsjerk On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Thomas Holder thomas.hol...@schrodinger.com mailto:thomas.hol...@schrodinger.com wrote: Hi Floris, Tsjerk, Jared, all lighting settings in PyMOL are only global, so setting them on objects or selections will have no effect. This is not a bug, bug of course can be considered a missing feature. We will check how difficult this would be to implement on the object or atom level. Cheers, Thomas On 14 Jan 2015, at 12:07, Floris van Eerden f.j.van.eer...@rug.nl mailto:f.j.van.eer...@rug.nl wrote: Hello Jared and Tsjerk, I tried your suggestion, but unfortunately it does not work on my computer. When I type the command set spec_reflect, 0, all Pymol gives the following output: --Setting: spec_reflect set to 0.0 in 8 objects. So it seems okay. But however when I raytrace, I still get all reflections. When I subsequently type set spec_reflect, 0 and then raytrace, the reflections are really turned off. Could this be a bug, or do I forget something? Thanks Floris On 09-01-15 16:55, Sampson, Jared wrote: set spec_reflect, 0, all and not organic -- Thomas Holder PyMOL Principal Developer Schrödinger, Inc. -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net -- Tsjerk A. Wassenaar, Ph.D. -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [PyMOL] raytracing a transparant surface, with reflections only on the cofactors inside
Thanks for the correction, Thomas. I saw the following in the terminal window and thought it meant the setting was applied as I intended: PyMOLset spec_reflect, 0, all and not org Setting: spec_reflect set for 2105 atoms in object 1shv. PyMOLset spec_reflect, 1, org Setting: spec_reflect set for 35 atoms in object “1shv”. (You’d think I’d know better after having worked with lighting in my COLLADA export project...) Perhaps it would be helpful for cmd.set() to output some kind of warning if a selection argument is given, but the setting can only be applied globally? Cheers, Jared -- Jared Sampson Xiangpeng Kong Lab NYU Langone Medical Center http://kong.med.nyu.edu/ On Jan 14, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Tsjerk Wassenaar tsje...@gmail.commailto:tsje...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Thanks for chiming in. I guess this would be a step towards textures/finishes. I would really like to see more extended support for those in Pymol. Of course that would mostly serve artistic purposes, but I'd gladly raise the suggestion that it can do wonders for highlighting :) Floris, I can join you in the lab tomorrow afternoon (~15pm?), and we can have a look what we can do. Maybe a POV-Ray session, like in the old days :) Maybe I can even find my finish settings somewhere :) Cheers, Tsjerk On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Thomas Holder thomas.hol...@schrodinger.commailto:thomas.hol...@schrodinger.com wrote: Hi Floris, Tsjerk, Jared, all lighting settings in PyMOL are only global, so setting them on objects or selections will have no effect. This is not a bug, bug of course can be considered a missing feature. We will check how difficult this would be to implement on the object or atom level. Cheers, Thomas On 14 Jan 2015, at 12:07, Floris van Eerden f.j.van.eer...@rug.nlmailto:f.j.van.eer...@rug.nl wrote: Hello Jared and Tsjerk, I tried your suggestion, but unfortunately it does not work on my computer. When I type the command set spec_reflect, 0, all Pymol gives the following output: --Setting: spec_reflect set to 0.0 in 8 objects. So it seems okay. But however when I raytrace, I still get all reflections. When I subsequently type set spec_reflect, 0 and then raytrace, the reflections are really turned off. Could this be a bug, or do I forget something? Thanks Floris On 09-01-15 16:55, Sampson, Jared wrote: set spec_reflect, 0, all and not organic -- Thomas Holder PyMOL Principal Developer Schrödinger, Inc. -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.netmailto:PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net -- Tsjerk A. Wassenaar, Ph.D. -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [PyMOL] raytracing a transparant surface, with reflections only on the cofactors inside
Hi Floris, Tsjerk, Jared, all lighting settings in PyMOL are only global, so setting them on objects or selections will have no effect. This is not a bug, bug of course can be considered a missing feature. We will check how difficult this would be to implement on the object or atom level. Cheers, Thomas On 14 Jan 2015, at 12:07, Floris van Eerden f.j.van.eer...@rug.nl wrote: Hello Jared and Tsjerk, I tried your suggestion, but unfortunately it does not work on my computer. When I type the command set spec_reflect, 0, all Pymol gives the following output: --Setting: spec_reflect set to 0.0 in 8 objects. So it seems okay. But however when I raytrace, I still get all reflections. When I subsequently type set spec_reflect, 0 and then raytrace, the reflections are really turned off. Could this be a bug, or do I forget something? Thanks Floris On 09-01-15 16:55, Sampson, Jared wrote: set spec_reflect, 0, all and not organic -- Thomas Holder PyMOL Principal Developer Schrödinger, Inc. -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [PyMOL] raytracing a transparant surface, with reflections only on the cofactors inside
Hello Jared and Tsjerk, I tried your suggestion, but unfortunately it does not work on my computer. When I type the command set spec_reflect, 0, all Pymol gives the following output: --Setting: spec_reflect set to 0.0 in 8 objects. So it seems okay. But however when I raytrace, I still get all reflections. When I subsequently type set spec_reflect, 0 and then raytrace, the reflections are really turned off. Could this be a bug, or do I forget something? Thanks Floris On 09-01-15 16:55, Sampson, Jared wrote: set spec_reflect, 0, all and not organic -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [PyMOL] raytracing a transparant surface, with reflections only on the cofactors inside
Hi Thomas, Thanks for chiming in. I guess this would be a step towards textures/finishes. I would really like to see more extended support for those in Pymol. Of course that would mostly serve artistic purposes, but I'd gladly raise the suggestion that it can do wonders for highlighting :) Floris, I can join you in the lab tomorrow afternoon (~15pm?), and we can have a look what we can do. Maybe a POV-Ray session, like in the old days :) Maybe I can even find my finish settings somewhere :) Cheers, Tsjerk On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Thomas Holder thomas.hol...@schrodinger.com wrote: Hi Floris, Tsjerk, Jared, all lighting settings in PyMOL are only global, so setting them on objects or selections will have no effect. This is not a bug, bug of course can be considered a missing feature. We will check how difficult this would be to implement on the object or atom level. Cheers, Thomas On 14 Jan 2015, at 12:07, Floris van Eerden f.j.van.eer...@rug.nl wrote: Hello Jared and Tsjerk, I tried your suggestion, but unfortunately it does not work on my computer. When I type the command set spec_reflect, 0, all Pymol gives the following output: --Setting: spec_reflect set to 0.0 in 8 objects. So it seems okay. But however when I raytrace, I still get all reflections. When I subsequently type set spec_reflect, 0 and then raytrace, the reflections are really turned off. Could this be a bug, or do I forget something? Thanks Floris On 09-01-15 16:55, Sampson, Jared wrote: set spec_reflect, 0, all and not organic -- Thomas Holder PyMOL Principal Developer Schrödinger, Inc. -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net -- Tsjerk A. Wassenaar, Ph.D. -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [PyMOL] raytracing a transparant surface, with reflections only on the cofactors inside
Hello Jared, thanks for the conformation!!! I am going to try it out today! Floris On 09-01-15 16:55, Sampson, Jared wrote: Hi Floris - Tsjerk is correct. You can set spec_reflect for a selection. Something like: set spec_reflect, 0, all and not organic This would turn of specular reflection on anything that’s not a “ligand” atom. Cheers, Jared -- Jared Sampson Xiangpeng Kong Lab NYU Langone Medical Center http://kong.med.nyu.edu/ On Jan 9, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Tsjerk Wassenaar tsje...@gmail.com mailto:tsje...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Floris, I'm not entirely sure whether these are object/selection or global properties. But have you tried specifying the selection? set spec_reflect, 0, protein Haven't tried it myself, though. Cheers, Tsjerk On Jan 9, 2015 4:07 PM, Floris van Eerden f.j.van.eer...@rug.nl mailto:f.j.van.eer...@rug.nl wrote: Dear all, My question is if I can set for different molecules in my system, how much they reflect light during ray-tracing My current system is a protein which contains some cofactors. The cofactors are coloured according to their B value and the protein is shown as a transparant grey surface. When I start Ray-tracing, I get a quite nice picture. The problem is however that the transparant surface is reflecting the light, and becomes therefore at some places not transparant, which makes it kinda difficult to see the cofactors in the protein (which are the most important). I played around with all the spec_reflect, spec_direct settings. When I set spec_reflect to 0, there are no reflections anymore, but the image becomes rather dull. I was wondering if it is possible to select somehow to make only the cofactors inside the protein reflect the light, but not the protein surface. In VMD you can do this for example by making molecules from different ‘materials’, e.g. you can make your cofactors from a reflective material, and your protein surface from a non reflective, transparant material. Is something similar possible in Pymol??? Thanks for your suggestions, Floris -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. vanity: www.gigenet.com___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [PyMOL] raytracing a transparant surface, with reflections only on the cofactors inside
Hi Floris, I'm not entirely sure whether these are object/selection or global properties. But have you tried specifying the selection? set spec_reflect, 0, protein Haven't tried it myself, though. Cheers, Tsjerk On Jan 9, 2015 4:07 PM, Floris van Eerden f.j.van.eer...@rug.nl wrote: Dear all, My question is if I can set for different molecules in my system, how much they reflect light during ray-tracing My current system is a protein which contains some cofactors. The cofactors are coloured according to their B value and the protein is shown as a transparant grey surface. When I start Ray-tracing, I get a quite nice picture. The problem is however that the transparant surface is reflecting the light, and becomes therefore at some places not transparant, which makes it kinda difficult to see the cofactors in the protein (which are the most important). I played around with all the spec_reflect, spec_direct settings. When I set spec_reflect to 0, there are no reflections anymore, but the image becomes rather dull. I was wondering if it is possible to select somehow to make only the cofactors inside the protein reflect the light, but not the protein surface. In VMD you can do this for example by making molecules from different ‘materials’, e.g. you can make your cofactors from a reflective material, and your protein surface from a non reflective, transparant material. Is something similar possible in Pymol??? Thanks for your suggestions, Floris -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [PyMOL] raytracing a transparant surface, with reflections only on the cofactors inside
Hi Floris - Tsjerk is correct. You can set spec_reflect for a selection. Something like: set spec_reflect, 0, all and not organic This would turn of specular reflection on anything that’s not a “ligand” atom. Cheers, Jared -- Jared Sampson Xiangpeng Kong Lab NYU Langone Medical Center http://kong.med.nyu.edu/ On Jan 9, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Tsjerk Wassenaar tsje...@gmail.commailto:tsje...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Floris, I'm not entirely sure whether these are object/selection or global properties. But have you tried specifying the selection? set spec_reflect, 0, protein Haven't tried it myself, though. Cheers, Tsjerk On Jan 9, 2015 4:07 PM, Floris van Eerden f.j.van.eer...@rug.nlmailto:f.j.van.eer...@rug.nl wrote: Dear all, My question is if I can set for different molecules in my system, how much they reflect light during ray-tracing My current system is a protein which contains some cofactors. The cofactors are coloured according to their B value and the protein is shown as a transparant grey surface. When I start Ray-tracing, I get a quite nice picture. The problem is however that the transparant surface is reflecting the light, and becomes therefore at some places not transparant, which makes it kinda difficult to see the cofactors in the protein (which are the most important). I played around with all the spec_reflect, spec_direct settings. When I set spec_reflect to 0, there are no reflections anymore, but the image becomes rather dull. I was wondering if it is possible to select somehow to make only the cofactors inside the protein reflect the light, but not the protein surface. In VMD you can do this for example by making molecules from different ‘materials’, e.g. you can make your cofactors from a reflective material, and your protein surface from a non reflective, transparant material. Is something similar possible in Pymol??? Thanks for your suggestions, Floris -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.nethttp://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.netmailto:PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.netmailto:PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
[PyMOL] raytracing a transparant surface, with reflections only on the cofactors inside
Dear all, My question is if I can set for different molecules in my system, how much they reflect light during ray-tracing My current system is a protein which contains some cofactors. The cofactors are coloured according to their B value and the protein is shown as a transparant grey surface. When I start Ray-tracing, I get a quite nice picture. The problem is however that the transparant surface is reflecting the light, and becomes therefore at some places not transparant, which makes it kinda difficult to see the cofactors in the protein (which are the most important). I played around with all the spec_reflect, spec_direct settings. When I set spec_reflect to 0, there are no reflections anymore, but the image becomes rather dull. I was wondering if it is possible to select somehow to make only the cofactors inside the protein reflect the light, but not the protein surface. In VMD you can do this for example by making molecules from different ‘materials’, e.g. you can make your cofactors from a reflective material, and your protein surface from a non reflective, transparant material. Is something similar possible in Pymol??? Thanks for your suggestions, Floris -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net ___ PyMOL-users mailing list (PyMOL-users@lists.sourceforge.net) Info Page: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pymol-users Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/pymol-users@lists.sourceforge.net
