Hello Jim,

I have downloaded the version (0.79.dmg.gz) of the PyMol package suggested by Luca Jovine, but don't know how to get a working version of Python installed. The only links I can find are to Python .exe files for versions 2.1 and 1.5.2, and I have no idea which of the other downloads (xx-contrib, ext) are needed. For that matter, is the v. 0.79 really the latest for OS X, or is 0.82 or 0.83 options? Which Python will run in the Mac Unix environment and how do I invoke it (presumably from the terminal) if it will? You (W. Delano) make it clear that running PyMol within Python is not the way to go, then in the Mac, what is? I also see no links to documentation, nor do I find any obviously labeled documentation files in the download.

At least in my opinion, the easiest way to get python and many other UNIX/
X11 packages on your machine is to first install Fink. This is a package manager that will allow you to first install and then update (when required) almost anything else you might ever want to use. To learn how to do this, please have a look at: http://fink.sourceforge.net/index.php After you installed Fink and then python through Fink, you can either install and run the Xfree version of pymol, or run the native one, or have both and run whichever you like to depending on your particular needs. The speed of the native version certainly makes it much more usable than the Xfree one, but, the latest version of the native program really is 0.79, so (at least for now) you miss out on the latest features of 0.82. Also, on my machine native pymol seems to freeze whenever I use the "show surface" command, which works just fine on the slower Xfree version (is this a problem of my particular setup, or did someone else also stumble into this?)

In general, does anyone have any tips on finding needles of required information in this massive haystack of a website? If you follow links like "Mac OS X", you get dumped into a 10>n page listing of all imaginable open source apps in reverse chronological order. Are there any search tools or internal pages with links to documentation (maybe something on the download page http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pymol that I don't recognize as such?) Finally, there was a "somebody ought to bell the cat"-type discussion about uploading "How TO?" files and tutorials back in May - did anything come of that? A basic intro to PyMOL is what I, a confirmed nonprogrammer (and damned proud of it) need, no doubt like many others. Maybe some academics have already put something like this together to prep strudents in their courses to use PyMOL?

For pymol-specific info, have a look at Carly Huitema's tutorial at:

        http://pymol.sourceforge.net/tutorial/index.html

which I found very useful as it nicely complements the manual:

        http://pymol.sourceforge.net/html/toc.html

For more general information about installing crystallographic/structural biology software on OSX, the best page I know is my friend's Bill Scott:

        http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/crystallography_on_OS_X.html

his site has a lot of extremely useful information clearly arranged and explained. Although it might not be directly related to what you want to achieve at the very moment, it will certainly give you an idea of the issues involved in installing and running this kind of software on OSX.

I'm sure things can only get better in the future, but in the meanwhile I hope these pointers help a bit...

Luca

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