Re: [pypy-dev] Waf benchmark

2011-04-11 Thread Stefan Behnel
Maciej Fijalkowski, 11.04.2011 11:53: I propose the waf benchmark removal. Originally, the idea was that we're slower than CPython for no good reason. Now that this benchmark measures some obscure piece of stdlib time (subprocesses) I don't think it's that necessary. Besides: * the

Re: [pypy-dev] The JVM backend and Jython

2011-04-01 Thread Stefan Behnel
fwierzbi...@gmail.com, 30.03.2011 04:40: I've been thinking about the first steps towards collaboration between the Jython project and the PyPy project. It looks like it isn't going to be too long before we are all (CPython, PyPy, IronPython, Jython, etc) working on a single shared repository

Re: [pypy-dev] Fwd: [codespeak-ann] termination of codespeak.net services end FEB 2011

2011-02-10 Thread Stefan Behnel
Laura Creighton, 10.02.2011 12:40: We can move things to Open End if people are interested. Hmm, a web site that's full of Alternate HTML content should be placed here. boxes doesn't sound very inviting to me as a hosting solution. Stefan ___

Re: [pypy-dev] testing floating point

2011-02-03 Thread Stefan Behnel
Maciej Fijalkowski, 03.02.2011 11:14: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Fredrik Johansson wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: * Use list comprehension instead of generator expression. I hope PyPy can do more in the future to speed up generator expressions. It

Re: [pypy-dev] which xml libraries? was (Re: PyPy 1.4 released)

2010-11-30 Thread Stefan Behnel
Paolo Giarrusso, 01.12.2010 00:34: Anyway, this does not interact with benchmarks above - Stefan, I still don't get why you complained that pyexpat is slow by showing benchmarks for another module, I guess I do not understand your email, but it asks reasonable? after Amaury talks about

Re: [pypy-dev] which xml libraries? was (Re: PyPy 1.4 released)

2010-11-29 Thread Stefan Behnel
Amaury Forgeot d'Arc, 28.11.2010 11:44: 2010/11/28 Maciej Fijalkowski On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:58 AM, René Dudfield wrote: what xml libraries are people using with pypy? What is working well? PyExpat works, although it's slow (ctypes-based implementation). I know genshi has some troubles

Re: [pypy-dev] which xml libraries? was (Re: PyPy 1.4 released)

2010-11-29 Thread Stefan Behnel
René Dudfield, 29.11.2010 14:52: On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote: Amaury Forgeot d'Arc, 28.11.2010 11:44: 2010/11/28 Maciej Fijalkowski On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:58 AM, René Dudfield wrote: what xml libraries are people using with pypy? What is working well? PyExpat

Re: [pypy-dev] Question on the future of RPython

2010-09-07 Thread Stefan Behnel
Armin Rigo, 07.09.2010 10:57: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Saravanan Shanmugham Is there a wish list of RPython enhancements somewhere that the PyPy team might be considering? Stuff that would benefit RPython users in general. Again, feel free to make a fork or a branch of PyPy and try to

Re: [pypy-dev] Question on the future of RPython

2010-09-03 Thread Stefan Behnel
Saravanan Shanmugham, 03.09.2010 11:11: From: Jacob Hallén It is a matter of personal pride, I think. If we made the invitation to the Shedskin people they would see this as Pypy thinks they are way cooler than us, so they invite us to be part of their project. This would naturally generate a

Re: [pypy-dev] Question on the future of RPython

2010-09-03 Thread Stefan Behnel
Saravanan Shanmugham, 03.09.2010 19:22: Lets not be a little presumptious shall we. This is the second time you seem to be claiming that I haven't done my research/reading. That's just the impression that I get from what you write and how you write it. I just don't see any logical reasons,

Re: [pypy-dev] Question on the future of RPython

2010-09-03 Thread Stefan Behnel
Saravanan Shanmugham, 03.09.2010 21:06: If I were to go with my impressions, based on you being the lead developer of Cython, I could have claimed you have an ulterior motive on this thread. *shrug* Stefan ___ pypy-dev@codespeak.net

Re: [pypy-dev] Question on the future of RPython

2010-09-02 Thread Stefan Behnel
Saravanan Shanmugham, 02.09.2010 09:57: I afraid people are missing the point here. For an average engineer its better to be an expert of 1 language than be an average at 4. Well, it's certainly better to be an almost-expert in two, than a no-left-no-right expert in only one. I am just

[pypy-dev] What can Cython do for PyPy?

2010-08-12 Thread Stefan Behnel
Hi, there has recently been a move towards a .NET/IronPython port of Cython, mostly driven by the need for a fast NumPy port. During the related discussion, the question came up how much it would take to let Cython also target other runtimes, including PyPy. Given that PyPy already has a

Re: [pypy-dev] What can Cython do for PyPy?

2010-08-12 Thread Stefan Behnel
Maciej Fijalkowski, 12.08.2010 10:05: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Stefan Behnel wrote: there has recently been a move towards a .NET/IronPython port of Cython, mostly driven by the need for a fast NumPy port. During the related discussion, the question came up how much it would take

Re: [pypy-dev] speed.pypy.org launched

2010-02-26 Thread Stefan Behnel
Carl Friedrich Bolz, 25.02.2010 18:38: On 02/25/2010 04:10 PM, Miquel Torres wrote: As some of you already know, there is a new performance site online: speed.pypy.org. [...] I'm quite impressed, this is very cool work and a good improvement over the current plots. Thanks for doing this!

Re: [pypy-dev] speed.pypy.org launched

2010-02-26 Thread Stefan Behnel
Miquel Torres, 26.02.2010 11:05: You may also consider that a benchmark that varies greatly between runs may be a flawed benchmark. I think it should be considered, but only on the running side, and act accordingly (too high a deviation: discard run, reconsider benchmark, reconsider

Re: [pypy-dev] speed.pypy.org launched

2010-02-26 Thread Stefan Behnel
Carl Friedrich Bolz, 26.02.2010 11:25: http://buytaert.net/files/oopsla07-georges.pdf It's sad that the paper doesn't try to understand *why* others use different ways to benchmark. They even admit at the end that their statistical approach is only really interesting when the differences are

Re: [pypy-dev] Parallel translation?

2009-12-07 Thread Stefan Behnel
Armin Rigo, 05.12.2009 16:44: On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 06:18:13PM +0100, Antonio Cuni wrote: I agree that at this point in time we cannot or don't want to make annotation/rtyping/backend parallelizable, but it should definitely be possible to just pass the -j flag to 'make' in an automatic

Re: [pypy-dev] http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/ProjectPlan

2009-04-07 Thread Stefan Behnel
Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: I'm completely not up to argue, Sure, fine with me. I'm actually happy the PyPy project is there. It gives us both competition and inspiration (although I do think that there is some space left for broader discussions...). but cython is effectively a compiler right?

Re: [pypy-dev] http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/ProjectPlan

2009-04-06 Thread Stefan Behnel
Christian Tismer wrote: The Q1 goals are relatively doable without doubt. The current achievements speedwise remind me of the anxient Python2C project. It showed the typical acceleration by a factor of around 2, which is what you can expect when eliminating the interpreter loop. A bit less