Re: [pypy-dev] Why CFFI is not useful - need direct ABI access 4 humans

2014-03-30 Thread Bengt Richter
On 03/30/2014 05:32 PM Leonardo Santagada wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:36 AM, anatoly techtonikwrote: On ABI level tools can be more useful, and there is where idea intersects with CFFI. It doesn't cancel the fact that people need safe feet injury prevention interfaces. Look for my previous

Re: [pypy-dev] Why CFFI is not useful - need direct ABI access 4 humans

2014-03-30 Thread Nathan Hurst
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 03:36:08PM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Kenny Lasse Hoff Levinsen > wrote: > > Okay, just to get things right: What you want is an only-ABI solution, > > which abstracts completely away from technical details, in a nice pythonic > > w

Re: [pypy-dev] Why CFFI is not useful - need direct ABI access 4 humans

2014-03-30 Thread Leonardo Santagada
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:36 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On ABI level tools can be more useful, and there is where idea > intersects with CFFI. It doesn't cancel the fact that people need safe > feet injury prevention interfaces. Look for my previous answer with > the phrase "I mix C with binar

Re: [pypy-dev] Why CFFI is not useful - need direct ABI access 4 humans

2014-03-30 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Kenny Lasse Hoff Levinsen wrote: > Okay, just to get things right: What you want is an only-ABI solution, which > abstracts completely away from technical details, in a nice pythonic wrapper? Not really. I want a language independent ABI solution, yes. ABI-only i

Re: [pypy-dev] Why CFFI is not useful - need direct ABI access 4 humans

2014-03-30 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Roberto De Ioris wrote: > > Hi, (disclaimer: i have worked a lot with cffi, and i basically love it > because most of my projects are in C and i need to interface with them), i > am not sure to follow you. You seem to mix C with binary/structures > manipulation. C

Re: [pypy-dev] Why CFFI is not useful - need direct ABI access 4 humans

2014-03-30 Thread Kenny Lasse Hoff Levinsen
Okay, just to get things right: What you want is an only-ABI solution, which abstracts completely away from technical details, in a nice pythonic wrapper? Having that idea suggestion is fine (although it is slightly off-topic on pypy-dev), but it has nothing to do with the C Foreign Function Int

Re: [pypy-dev] Why CFFI is not useful - need direct ABI access 4 humans

2014-03-30 Thread Roberto De Ioris
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Markus Unterwaditzer > wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 02:49:00PM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote: >>> I know what C in CFFI stands for C way of doing things, so >>> I hope people won't try to defend that position and instead >>> try to think about what if we h

Re: [pypy-dev] Why CFFI is not useful - need direct ABI access 4 humans

2014-03-30 Thread Markus Unterwaditzer
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 12:05:06PM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Markus Unterwaditzer > wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 02:49:00PM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote: > >> I know what C in CFFI stands for C way of doing things, so > >> I hope people won't try to

Re: [pypy-dev] Why CFFI is not useful - need direct ABI access 4 humans

2014-03-30 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Markus Unterwaditzer wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 02:49:00PM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> I know what C in CFFI stands for C way of doing things, so >> I hope people won't try to defend that position and instead >> try to think about what if we have to re

Re: [pypy-dev] Why CFFI is not useful - need direct ABI access 4 humans

2014-03-30 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:49 PM, anatoly techtonik > wrote: >> I know what C in CFFI stands for C way of doing things, so >> I hope people won't try to defend that position and instead >> try to think about what if we have to re-engine