Re: [pypy-dev] Python 2 vs Python 3 again, and a 2.x-only dependency

2019-08-01 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
Hi Ryan RPython has no plans to move to python3. There are no dependencies that we can't vendor that will become a problem. We expect Python2 to be available (and pypy stepping in if necessary) for a long time in the future. The reason is very prosaic - it's a lot of work for absolutely no reward

Re: [pypy-dev] Python 2 vs Python 3 again, and a 2.x-only dependency

2019-07-16 Thread Ryan Gonzalez
I mean once Python 2 is EOL requiring it for bootstrap might not be as practical, and PyPy requiring itself to bootstrap would be doable but a bit trickier. On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 3:35 AM William ML Leslie < william.leslie@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue., 16 Jul. 2019, 2:34 pm Ryan Gonzalez,

Re: [pypy-dev] Python 2 vs Python 3 again, and a 2.x-only dependency

2019-07-16 Thread Yury V. Zaytsev
... which is irrelevant in the context of RPython. Still, I wonder what’s the long term plan is (if there’s already a plan): depend on PyPy2 indefinitely to be able to translate PyPy3? Sent from my iPad > On 16. Jul 2019, at 19:51, Dan Stromberg wrote: > > >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 1:35 AM

Re: [pypy-dev] Python 2 vs Python 3 again, and a 2.x-only dependency

2019-07-16 Thread Dan Stromberg
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 1:35 AM William ML Leslie < william.leslie@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue., 16 Jul. 2019, 2:34 pm Ryan Gonzalez, wrote: > >> I'm actually largely wondering if RPython is going to eventually move to >> 3... >> >>> >>> > Significant effort, for what benefit exactly? > E

Re: [pypy-dev] Python 2 vs Python 3 again, and a 2.x-only dependency

2019-07-16 Thread Ben Jolitz
The plea for migration probably won’t be technically-based; plenty of shops maintain special-case installations detached from the rest of the world. The issue resides in general skills and available volunteers - the more specialized the requirements, the less sustainable. Being 2-based requires

Re: [pypy-dev] Python 2 vs Python 3 again, and a 2.x-only dependency

2019-07-16 Thread Dan Stromberg
Nupic: https://github.com/numenta/nupic There's a community edition that supports Python 3.x, but its license may prove unsuitable to what we're doing. On 7/15/19 4:57 PM, Matt Billenstein wrote: What is the dependency? m On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 04:24:50PM -0700, Dan Stromberg wrote: What

Re: [pypy-dev] Python 2 vs Python 3 again, and a 2.x-only dependency

2019-07-16 Thread William ML Leslie
On Tue., 16 Jul. 2019, 2:34 pm Ryan Gonzalez, wrote: > I'm actually largely wondering if RPython is going to eventually move to > 3... > >> >> Significant effort, for what benefit exactly? ___ pypy-dev mailing list pypy-dev@python.org https://mail.pytho

Re: [pypy-dev] Python 2 vs Python 3 again, and a 2.x-only dependency

2019-07-15 Thread Ryan Gonzalez
I'm actually largely wondering if RPython is going to eventually move to 3... On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 6:25 PM Dan Stromberg wrote: > > What is Pypy planning to do with Python 2.x, now that many packages on > Pypi are dropping Python 2.x support? > > EG, I believe Pypy caters to Scientific Computin

Re: [pypy-dev] Python 2 vs Python 3 again, and a 2.x-only dependency

2019-07-15 Thread Matt Billenstein
What is the dependency? m On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 04:24:50PM -0700, Dan Stromberg wrote: > > What is Pypy planning to do with Python 2.x, now that many packages on Pypi > are dropping Python 2.x support? > > EG, I believe Pypy caters to Scientific Computing, but with Numpy dropping > Python 2.x

[pypy-dev] Python 2 vs Python 3 again, and a 2.x-only dependency

2019-07-15 Thread Dan Stromberg
What is Pypy planning to do with Python 2.x, now that many packages on Pypi are dropping Python 2.x support? EG, I believe Pypy caters to Scientific Computing, but with Numpy dropping Python 2.x support, will Pypy3 become the more relevant version of Pypy? Will Numpypy be revived? Will th