Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Samuel Vaiter wrote: > Hi, > > I am willing to contribute to PyPy, especially on Numpy port. The main > reason why Numpy is my main interest is that as Ph.D student in > Applied Mathematics, I really hope one day we will be able to perform > numerical computation w

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread Stefan Behnel
Samuel Vaiter, 14.10.2011 17:59: The main reason why Numpy is my main interest is that as Ph.D student in Applied Mathematics, I really hope one day we will be able to perform numerical computation without using heavy binding in C/Fortran or intermediate solution like Cython. I guess you didn't

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote > Samuel Vaiter, 14.10.2011 17:59: >> >> The main >> reason why Numpy is my main interest is that as Ph.D student in >> Applied Mathematics, I really hope one day we will be able to perform >> numerical computation without using heavy binding in

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread Alex Gaynor
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote > > Samuel Vaiter, 14.10.2011 17:59: > >> > >> The main > >> reason why Numpy is my main interest is that as Ph.D student in > >> Applied Mathematics, I really hope one day we will b

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread Stefan Behnel
Maciej Fijalkowski, 16.10.2011 17:50: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote Samuel Vaiter, 14.10.2011 17:59: The main reason why Numpy is my main interest is that as Ph.D student in Applied Mathematics, I really hope one day we will be able to perform numerical computation withou

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread Samuel Vaiter
Hi, Thanks for you answer. > Yes, there are definitely small things that you can work on. > > A good start would be to pick a missing feature from numpy and start > implementing it. There is usually someone on IRC who can help if you > have some immediate questions. > > Do you want me to find you

Re: [pypy-dev] Anyone interested in a MIPS port...

2011-10-16 Thread Nicolas Hureau
Hello everyone, On 24 August 2011 15:14, Armin Rigo wrote: > Sven and David are currently working on the PowerPC backend in the > branch "ppc-jit-backend", if you want to follow; it is still at an > early stage, which means that the amount of code so far should be > reasonable. > > Sorry to answe

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote: > Maciej Fijalkowski, 16.10.2011 17:50: >> >> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote >>> >>> Samuel Vaiter, 14.10.2011 17:59: The main reason why Numpy is my main interest is that as Ph.D student in Applied Mat

Re: [pypy-dev] Anyone interested in a MIPS port...

2011-10-16 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Nicolas Hureau wrote: > Hello everyone, > > On 24 August 2011 15:14, Armin Rigo wrote: >> Sven and David are currently working on the PowerPC backend in the >> branch "ppc-jit-backend", if you want to follow; it is still at an >> early stage, which means that the

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Samuel Vaiter wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for you answer. > >> Yes, there are definitely small things that you can work on. >> >> A good start would be to pick a missing feature from numpy and start >> implementing it. There is usually someone on IRC who can help if yo

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread Alex Gaynor
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Samuel Vaiter > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Thanks for you answer. > > > >> Yes, there are definitely small things that you can work on. > >> > >> A good start would be to pick a missing feature from numpy an

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread Stefan Behnel
Maciej Fijalkowski, 16.10.2011 20:01: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote: Maciej Fijalkowski, 16.10.2011 17:50: We have proven already that we can perform several optimizations that are very hard to perform at the C level. And indeed, while you can always argue "well, you can

Re: [pypy-dev] Anyone interested in a MIPS port...

2011-10-16 Thread David Schneider
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 20:03, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Nicolas Hureau > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > On 24 August 2011 15:14, Armin Rigo wrote: > >> Sven and David are currently working on the PowerPC backend in the > >> branch "ppc-jit-backend", if y

Re: [pypy-dev] Anyone interested in a MIPS port...

2011-10-16 Thread David Schneider
On 16.10.2011, at 20:03, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Nicolas Hureau > wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> On 24 August 2011 15:14, Armin Rigo wrote: >>> Sven and David are currently working on the PowerPC backend in the >>> branch "ppc-jit-backend", if you want

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread David Cournapeau
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote: > > I wasn't comparing a JIT to another compiler. I was comparing it to a human > programmer. A JIT, just like any other compiler, will never be able to > *understand* the code it compiles, and it can only apply the optimisations > that it was

[pypy-dev] Questions on the pypy+numpy project

2011-10-16 Thread Ian Ozsvald
Hi all. Hi Fijal, you tweeted in response to my https://twitter.com/#!/ianozsvald/status/124898441087299584 the other day. I met Travis Oliphant on Friday at the Enthought Cambridge office opening. Didrik Pinte and I mentioned that we'd offered £600 each towards pypy+numpy integration. Travis had

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread Armin Rigo
Hi David, On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 19:13, David Cournapeau wrote: > (...) and there is also the issue > of correctness in floating point code generation. Given that > decade-old compilers get it wrong, I would expect pypy jit to have > quite a few funky corner cases as well. No, we should not hav

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread Alex Gaynor
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Armin Rigo wrote: > Hi David, > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 19:13, David Cournapeau > wrote: > > (...) and there is also the issue > > of correctness in floating point code generation. Given that > > decade-old compilers get it wrong, I would expect pypy jit to hav

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread Armin Rigo
Hi, On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 23:41, David Cournapeau wrote: > Interesting to know. But then, wouldn't this limit the speed gains to > be expected from the JIT ? Yes, to some extent. It cannot give you the last bit of performance improvements you could expect from arithmetic optimizations, but (a

Re: [pypy-dev] Contributing to pypy [especially numpy]

2011-10-16 Thread David Cournapeau
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Armin Rigo wrote: > Hi David, > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 19:13, David Cournapeau wrote: >> (...) and there is also the issue >> of correctness in floating point code generation. Given that >> decade-old compilers get it wrong, I would expect pypy jit to have >>

Re: [pypy-dev] Questions on the pypy+numpy project

2011-10-16 Thread David Cournapeau
Hi Ian, On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Ian Ozsvald wrote: > > I'd like to pose some questions: > * how big is the scipy ecosystem beyond numpy? What's the rough line > count for Python, C, Fortran etc that depends on numpy? The ecosystem is pretty big. There are at least in the order of hund

[pypy-dev] Fwd: Anyone interested in a MIPS port...

2011-10-16 Thread Vishal
Forwarding it again to pypy-dev. Sorry missed the first time. Regards, Vishal -- Forwarded message -- From: Vishal Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [pypy-dev] Anyone interested in a MIPS port... To: Armin Rigo Thanks Armin. Appreicate your email a lot. I had