On 9/25/07, Greg Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brett Cannon wrote:
> > Return a byte. If you want a mutable length-1 thing you should have
> > to do a length 1 slice. Otherwise its an index operation and you want
> > what is stored at the index, which is an immutable byte.
>
> Why shouldn't
On 25-Sep-07, at 2:01 PM, Mark Summerfield wrote:
> On 2007-09-25, Guido wrote:
>>
>> For that to happen, someone has to write a production-quality
>> implementation, release it as a separate 3rd party module for a
>> while,
>> show that it is sufficiently stable and popular to be incorporated i
Brett Cannon wrote:
> Return a byte. If you want a mutable length-1 thing you should have
> to do a length 1 slice. Otherwise its an index operation and you want
> what is stored at the index, which is an immutable byte.
Why shouldn't this argument apply to immutable bytes objects as
well? Or sh
Charles> There's another place in the tutorial section
Charles> http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/tutorial/inputoutput.html and
Charles> search for "On Windows and the Macintosh, 'b' appended to the
Charles> mode opens the file in binary mode,"
I fixed that up as well. I mentioned t
Paul Moore wrote:
> The array module is built in, so it's
> written in C - what needs to be exposed to qualify as a "C API"?
I think he's referring to the fact that there is no
public array.h header file provided that lays out the
C-level details. In fact, last time I looked I don't
think there wa
On 9/25/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/25/07, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 9/25/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > OK, Jeffrey's and Adam's patches were helpful; it looks like the
> > > damage done by making bytes immutable is pretty limi
Bill Janssen wrote:
> Now that we've moved away from the C stdio model, and the distinction
> between text and binary streams is meaningful even on POSIX systems,
> perhaps we should also change those names to reflect that difference
> from C.
I don't think anything would be gained by changing the
On 9/25/07, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/25/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > OK, Jeffrey's and Adam's patches were helpful; it looks like the
> > damage done by making bytes immutable is pretty limited: plenty of
> > modules are affected, but the changes are str
On 9/25/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, Jeffrey's and Adam's patches were helpful; it looks like the
> damage done by making bytes immutable is pretty limited: plenty of
> modules are affected, but the changes are straightforward and
> localized.
>
> So now I have an idea that
> How about we take the existing PyString implementation (Python 2's
> str, currently still present as str8 in py3k), remove the locale and
> unicode mixing support, and call it bytes.
Is that just encode/decode?
But isn't this one sensible way to store an encoded str, so that
decode (only) would
On 9/25/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, Jeffrey's and Adam's patches were helpful; it looks like the
> damage done by making bytes immutable is pretty limited: plenty of
> modules are affected, but the changes are straightforward and
> localized.
>
> So now I have an idea that
OK, Jeffrey's and Adam's patches were helpful; it looks like the
damage done by making bytes immutable is pretty limited: plenty of
modules are affected, but the changes are straightforward and
localized.
So now I have an idea that goes a little farther. It relates to
Talin's response (second mess
On 2007-09-25, you wrote:
> On 9/25/07, Mark Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My proposal was for the sorteddict to be put in the collections module,
> > not as a builtin. One of the things I particularly like about Python is
> > that the core language is small.
> >
> > However, I think t
On 9/25/07, Mark Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My proposal was for the sorteddict to be put in the collections module,
> not as a builtin. One of the things I particularly like about Python is
> that the core language is small.
>
> However, I think that the collections module is rather t
On 2007-09-25, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On 9/25/07, Mark Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I can understand your personal preference for dict, although mine is for
> > sorteddict---but IMO Python should provide both since both are
> > legitimate in appropriate contexts.
>
> Careful what y
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"Guido van Rossum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/25/07, Mark Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I can understand your personal preference for dict, although mine is for
> > sorteddict---but IMO Python sho
On 9/24/07, Jeffrey Yasskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/20/07, Adam Hupp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 9/20/07, Jeffrey Yasskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the help! This brings up a policy question: For patches
> > > like the one I've attached here, do we want to st
On 9/25/07, Mark Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can understand your personal preference for dict, although mine is for
> sorteddict---but IMO Python should provide both since both are
> legitimate in appropriate contexts.
Careful what you wish for.
One of Python's strengths is that th
On 9/25/07, Uche Ogbuji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill Janssen wrote:
> > That's certainly the prescribed behavior for the C stdio streams on
> > POSIX-compliant systems. I think a lot of the original design of the
> > Python I/O system was based on that C stdio system, including names
> > like
2007/9/25, Rob Crowther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> a float. At this point, I'm able to use it as a stripped down drop in
> replacement for Decimal. It's also much, much faster.
Didn't understand this phrase. You're able to use it, after stripping
it down, as a replacement of Decimal? Or you're able t
Bill Janssen wrote:
> That's certainly the prescribed behavior for the C stdio streams on
> POSIX-compliant systems. I think a lot of the original design of the
> Python I/O system was based on that C stdio system, including names
> like stdin, stdout, and stderr.
>
> Now that we've moved away fro
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I've uploaded the latest code to http://umass.glexia.net/mpf.tar.bz2
It's been cleaned up, implements a little bit of the abstract number interface,
many very repetitive function declarations were turned into macros making it
far easier to maintain,
On 2007-09-16, Arvind Singh wrote:
> > How do you get from "some keys can't be ordered" to "it doesn't make
> > sense for Python to have sorteddict or sortedset"? If you want to use
> > keys that can't be ordered, then feel free to continue to use dict.
> > For situations in which ordering is impo
On 22/09/2007, Travis Oliphant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If it is decided to make bytes immutable (which sounds good to me),
> then I want to add my voice to those that clamor for an additional
> mutable object capable of allocating chunks of memory.
>
> This object should have a C-API and have
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