Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-27 Thread Neil Schemenauer
On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 11:21:21AM -0600, Adam Olsen wrote: > This would complicate the work of various packaging systems. You're not getting it. The tarball that we distribute as a Python release would look basically like it does now (i.e. it would include things like the "email" package). I ca

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-27 Thread Adam Olsen
On 8/26/07, Neil Schemenauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -0 on the idea of making "batteries included" include PyPI packages. > > Anything part of "batteries included" IMO should just be part of the > > standard install. > > I think you misunderstand the proposa

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-27 Thread Aahz
On Sun, Aug 26, 2007, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> -0 on the idea of making "batteries included" include PyPI packages. >> Anything part of "batteries included" IMO should just be part of the >> standard install. > > I think you misunderstand the proposal. The "

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-26 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -0 on the idea of making "batteries included" include PyPI packages. > Anything part of "batteries included" IMO should just be part of the > standard install. I think you misunderstand the proposal. The "batteries" would be included as part of the final Python r

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-26 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 8/26/07, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another possibility (which I personally favor) is to leave the email > package in a1 as flawed as it is, but to disable the tests. It's an / > alpha/ for gosh sakes, so maybe leaving it in and partly broken will > help rustle up some volunteers

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-26 Thread Aahz
On Sun, Aug 26, 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > aahz> Please don't interpret a missing chorus of opposition as support. > aahz> I'm only -0, but I definitely am negative on the idea based on my > aahz> guess about the likelihood of problems. > > -0 on the idea of more batteries or

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 26, 2007, at 12:10 AM, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't like the former, but the latter is intriguing. If we could >> host large packages (e.g., email, sqlite, ctypes, etc.) on python.org >> by provi

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 25, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: >> FWIW, I'm very much against moving email out of the core. This has >> been discussed a number of times before, and as far as I am aware, no >> conclusion reached. However, the "batteries included" ap

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-26 Thread skip
aahz> Please don't interpret a missing chorus of opposition as support. aahz> I'm only -0, but I definitely am negative on the idea based on my aahz> guess about the likelihood of problems. -0 on the idea of more batteries or fewer batteries? Skip

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-25 Thread Aahz
On Sun, Aug 26, 2007, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I don't like the former, but the latter is intriguing. If we could >> host large packages (e.g., email, sqlite, ctypes, etc.) on python.org >> by providing tracker, svn, and web space they could be develo

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-25 Thread Neil Schemenauer
Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't like the former, but the latter is intriguing. If we could > host large packages (e.g., email, sqlite, ctypes, etc.) on python.org > by providing tracker, svn, and web space they could be developed and > released on their own schedule. Then the Py

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 25, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: >> FWIW, I'm very much against moving email out of the core. This has >> been discussed a number of times before, and as far as I am aware, no >> conclusion reached. However, the "batteries included" ap

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-25 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On 8/25/07, Bill Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > FWIW, I'm very much against moving email out of the core. This has > > been discussed a number of times before, and as far as I am aware, no > > conclusion reached. However, the "batteries included" approach of > > Python is a huge benefit for

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-25 Thread Bill Janssen
> FWIW, I'm very much against moving email out of the core. This has > been discussed a number of times before, and as far as I am aware, no > conclusion reached. However, the "batteries included" approach of > Python is a huge benefit for me. I agree. But if the current code doesn't work with 3K

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-25 Thread Paul Moore
On 25/08/07, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/25/07, Fred Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 25, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > FYI, I'm removing the email package from the py3k branch for now. > > > If/when Barry has a working version we'll add it back. Give

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-25 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Sat, Aug 25, 2007 at 03:00:15PM -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: > On 8/25/07, Fred Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alternately, we could move toward separate libraries for such > > components; this allows separate packages to have separate > > maintenance cycles, and makes it easier for applicat

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-25 Thread Brett Cannon
On 8/25/07, Fred Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Aug 25, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > FYI, I'm removing the email package from the py3k branch for now. > > If/when Barry has a working version we'll add it back. Given that it's > > so close to the release I'd rather release wi

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
Works for me. Barry? On 8/25/07, Fred Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Aug 25, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > FYI, I'm removing the email package from the py3k branch for now. > > If/when Barry has a working version we'll add it back. Given that it's > > so close to the release

Re: [Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-25 Thread Fred Drake
On Aug 25, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > FYI, I'm removing the email package from the py3k branch for now. > If/when Barry has a working version we'll add it back. Given that it's > so close to the release I'd rather release without the email package > than with a broken one. If Barry

[Python-3000] Removing email package until it's fixed

2007-08-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
FYI, I'm removing the email package from the py3k branch for now. If/when Barry has a working version we'll add it back. Given that it's so close to the release I'd rather release without the email package than with a broken one. If Barry finishes it after the a1 release, people who need it can alw