Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Rounding Decimals

2008-01-07 Thread Jeffrey Yasskin
On Jan 6, 2008 10:51 PM, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Jeffrey Yasskin] > >> > I'm not > >> > sure exactly what you're objecting to. Could you be more precise? > >> > >> You note said: "I'll implement Context.round() in a separate patch. > >> Comment away." > > > > Oh, sorry for

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Rounding Decimals

2008-01-07 Thread Raymond Hettinger
[Jeffrey Yasskin] > I always like to have a patch around because abstract discussions, > even (especially?) on simple topics, have a tendency to run off into > the weeds. A patch keeps things focused and moving forward. Please recognize that our little system of patches and newsgroup discussions i

Re: [Python-3000] Is pickle's persistent_id worth keeping?

2008-01-07 Thread Jim Fulton
(Note that Alexandre called this thread to my attention. I wish I had more time to pay attention to this list.) On Jan 5, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Alexandre Vassalotti wrote: > Hi, > > I currently trying to clean up the interface of the pickle module for > Python 3K. So far, I haven't done much, exce

Re: [Python-3000] Is pickle's persistent_id worth keeping?

2008-01-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 6, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: > Really, I'd like to see a much smaller standard library. IMO, pickle > isn't essential enough to be part of the standard library and I'd be > happy to see pickle become a separate project. I'd prefer to

Re: [Python-3000] Is pickle's persistent_id worth keeping?

2008-01-07 Thread Paul Moore
On 07/01/2008, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Jan 6, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: > > > Really, I'd like to see a much smaller standard library. IMO, pickle > > isn't essential enough to be part of the standard library and I'

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Rounding Decimals

2008-01-07 Thread Facundo Batista
2008/1/7, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arghh! You seem hell-bent on jamming this in. Please leave the > decimal module alone. It does *not* need both a round() method > and a quantize() method. Question. I'm so used to quantize that I don't care. And I'm, in general, -0 to adding

Re: [Python-3000] Is pickle's persistent_id worth keeping?

2008-01-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > If there were two officially distributed versions of Python, > python-std (basically what we have now) and a python-lite without the > full stdlib, then I could probably live with the situation (but the

Re: [Python-3000] Is pickle's persistent_id worth keeping?

2008-01-07 Thread Alexandre Vassalotti
On Jan 5, 2008 10:58 PM, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chandler's .chex (Chandler export) files use this to handle class > moves, or data for a missing or broken plugin. If/when we'll ever > use Python 3 is an open question, but if we did, we'd certainly > continue to need it. On J

Re: [Python-3000] Is pickle's persistent_id worth keeping?

2008-01-07 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Jan 7, 2008 5:50 AM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: > > > Really, I'd like to see a much smaller standard library. IMO, pickle > > isn't essential enough to be part of the standard library and I'd be > > happy to see pickle become a separ

Re: [Python-3000] Is pickle's persistent_id worth keeping?

2008-01-07 Thread Fred Drake
On Jan 6, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: > Really, I'd like to see a much smaller standard library. IMO, pickle > isn't essential enough to be part of the standard library and I'd be > happy to see pickle become a separate project. I'd prefer to see most > of the Python 2 standard library bec

Re: [Python-3000] Is pickle's persistent_id worth keeping?

2008-01-07 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Jan 7, 2008 7:26 AM, Fred Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: > > Really, I'd like to see a much smaller standard library. IMO, pickle > > isn't essential enough to be part of the standard library and I'd be > > happy to see pickle become a separate

Re: [Python-3000] Is pickle's persistent_id worth keeping?

2008-01-07 Thread Fred Drake
On Jan 7, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Actually I suspect that the people pleading in favor of this are also > doing it for political reasons. Perhaps. The motivating factor is really to be able to decouple release cycles, and I think that's a valuable (technical) reason to sp

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Rounding Decimals

2008-01-07 Thread Aahz
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > [Jeffrey Yasskin] >> >> I am not building out the decimal API. I am adding enough methods to >> maintain the comment that "Decimal floating point objects share many >> properties with the other builtin numeric types such as float and int. >> All of

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Rounding Decimals

2008-01-07 Thread Raymond Hettinger
[Aahz] > I have always thought that "quantize()" makes Decimal > confusing in the context of the other mechanisms that Python makes > available for other kinds of numbers. No doubt, the spec made a number of choices that are obvious only if you work at IBM. And, there is no doubt, the module has

[Python-3000] Splitting out packages [was: Is pickle's persistent_id worth keeping?]

2008-01-07 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Fred Drake writes: > On Jan 7, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > Actually I suspect that the people pleading in favor of this are also > > doing it for political reasons. > > Perhaps. The motivating factor is really to be able to decouple > release cycles, and I think that's

[Python-3000] Comments on PEP-3108: Standard Library Reorganization

2008-01-07 Thread Raymond Hettinger
1) The repr module is marked as hardly used, but it may have a fan base (not me). It is covered in the tutorial's guided tour, so it has been held-up as being active and useful. There are a few hits on google's codesearch: http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=en&q=+lang:python+%22import+repr%22&s

Re: [Python-3000] Comments on PEP-3108: Standard Library Reorganization

2008-01-07 Thread Brett Cannon
On Jan 7, 2008 5:16 PM, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) The repr module is marked as hardly used, but it may have a fan base (not > me). It is covered in the tutorial's guided tour, so it has been held-up as > being active and useful. There are a few hits on google's codesearch

Re: [Python-3000] Need closure on __cmp__ removal

2008-01-07 Thread hashcollision
> > But the biggest thing missing is precise semantics. Saying "exactly > the same semantics as with Python 2.5" doesn't cut it (those semantics > are incredibly hairy and sometimes surprising, and their > implementation was a nightmare -- I've rarely been as relieved as when > I was able to cut th

Re: [Python-3000] Need closure on __cmp__ removal

2008-01-07 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Jan 7, 2008 8:48 PM, hashcollision <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > But the biggest thing missing is precise semantics. Saying "exactly > > the same semantics as with Python 2.5" doesn't cut it (those semantics > > are incredibly hairy and sometimes surprising, and their > > implementation was

Re: [Python-3000] Comments on PEP-3108: Standard Library Reorganization

2008-01-07 Thread Guido van Rossum
Isn't there a separate list for this topic? Are you ignoring it for a specific reason? -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-30