New submission from Craig McQueen pyt...@craig.mcqueen.id.au:
I stumbled across Template Strings of PEP 292 by accident recently. I'd never
heard of it before.
I'm familiar with the string interpolation aka String Formatting
Operations, and I know to find that in the docs under Standard
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New submission from Craig McQueen pyt...@craig.mcqueen.id.au:
I have just been trying to figure out how string interpolation works for %s,
when Unicode strings are involved. It seems it's a bit complicated, but the
Python documentation doesn't really describe it. It just says %s converts any
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Craig McQueen pyt...@craig.mcqueen.id.au added the comment:
Another thing I discovered, for Example 1:
4. If test_object.__str__() returns a Unicode object (for some reason), and
test_object.__unicode__() does not exist, then the Unicode value from the
__str__() call is used as-is (no
Marc-Andre Lemburg m...@egenix.com added the comment:
Ezio Melotti wrote:
Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment:
Given that '\U0001'.isprintable() returns True, I would say yes. If
someone needs to print this char and has an appropriate font to do it, I
don't see
Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment:
[This should probably be discussed on python-dev or in another issue, so feel
free to move the conversation there.]
The current implementation considers printable all the characters except
those characters defined in the Unicode character
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On wide unicode builds, '\U0001'.isprintable() returns True, and repr()
returns the character unmodified.
Is it a good behavior, given that very few fonts have can display this
character?
Marc-Andre Lemburg wrote:
The printable
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there is a crash log inside the archive
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Amaury Forgeot d'Arc amaur...@gmail.com added the comment:
I suggest to go ahead and apply this patch, at least it correctly selects
printable characters, whatever this means.
I filed issue9198 to decide whether chr(0x1) should be printable.
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Ezio Melotti wrote:
Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment:
[This should probably be discussed on python-dev or in another issue, so feel
free to move the conversation there.]
The current implementation considers
Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com added the comment:
The title is somewhat misleading, this is a C program that uses dlopen to load
the python framework.
I will look into this, but it is just as likely that code that loads or uses
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Hi Ronald,
Thank you for looking into it, and sorry for the misleading title.
You will find a crash log and some instructions on how to reproduce the problem
inside the archive.
Thanks,
Marc
On 8 Jul 2010, at 10:18,
Marc-Andre Lemburg m...@egenix.com added the comment:
Amaury Forgeot d'Arc wrote:
Amaury Forgeot d'Arc amaur...@gmail.com added the comment:
I suggest to go ahead and apply this patch, at least it correctly selects
printable characters, whatever this means.
I filed issue9198 to decide
Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment:
Amaury, before applying the patch consider replacing the tab characters before
the comments with spaces. The use of tabs is discouraged.
Marc-Andre Lemburg wrote:
I was never a fan of the Unicode repr() change to begin with. The
repr()
Marc-Andre Lemburg m...@egenix.com added the comment:
[Adding some bits from the discussion on #5127 for better context]
Ezio Melotti wrote:
Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment:
[This should probably be discussed on python-dev or in another issue, so
feel free to
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Ezio Melotti wrote:
Marc-Andre Lemburg wrote:
I was never a fan of the Unicode repr() change to begin with. The
repr() of an object should work in almost all cases.
I still think that #5110 should be fixed (there's also a patch to fix
Amaury Forgeot d'Arc amaur...@gmail.com added the comment:
consider replacing the tab characters before the comments with spaces
It's actually already the case in my working copy.
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Regarding the fonts, I think that who actually uses or needs to use characters
outside the BMP might have (now or in a few months/years) a font able to
display them.
I also tried to print the printable chars from U+ to U+1 on my
Andrew Clegg a...@pml.ac.uk added the comment:
Hi,
This bug seems to have stalled - how can I get it moved forward? There don't
seem to be any objections with the patch as-is, and the problem seems clear.
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Amaury Forgeot d'Arc amaur...@gmail.com added the comment:
A more accurate approach would be to actually try to encode the string
and escape only the chars that can't be encoded
This is already the case with sys.stderr, it uses the backslashreplace error
handler. Do you suggest the same for
Amaury Forgeot d'Arc amaur...@gmail.com added the comment:
Yes, repr() should not depend on the user's terminal.
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Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment:
This is already the case with sys.stderr, it uses the backslashreplace
error handler. Do you suggest the same for sys.stdout?
See http://bugs.python.org/issue5110#msg84965
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Amaury Forgeot d'Arc amaur...@gmail.com added the comment:
The chapter Rationale in PEP3138 explains why sys.stdout uses strict
encoding, when sys.stderr uses backslashreplace.
It would be possible to use backslashreplace for stdout as well for
interactive sessions, but the PEP also rejected
Amaury Forgeot d'Arc amaur...@gmail.com added the comment:
I reproduce the problem on Linux (./configure --enable-shared), after I
modified the source code a bit to directly use Python.h and to link with
libpython3.2.so (no call to dlopen). In gdb the stack trace has exactly the
same symbols
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Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com added the comment:
Removing the call to Py_DECREF is fishy.
The cleanup of the interpreter state in Py_Finalize doesn't clean up all state
when m_copy refers to a version from a previous instance of the interpreter.
Maybe the tp_dealloc of a module
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Amaury Forgeot d'Arc amaur...@gmail.com added the comment:
We definitely need unit tests about embedded python interpreter, I think there
are none.
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When showing a server response (--show-response), the upload command crashes
with the following traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File setup.py, line 94, in module
scripts = scripts,
File
New submission from Amaury Forgeot d'Arc amaur...@gmail.com:
On narrow unicode builds:
unicodedata.category(chr(0x1)) == 'Lo' # correct
Py_UNICODE_ISPRINTABLE(0x1)== 1 # correct
str.isprintable(chr(0x1)) == False # inconsistent
On narrow unicode builds, large code
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment:
OK, I've looked at the patch now. (1) it needs unit tests. (2) a py3k port
would be helpful, since the code is very different in py3k, and we are now
applying patches first to the py3k branch and then backporting.
I think this can be
New submission from Matthias Klose d...@debian.org:
[forwarded from https://launchpad.net/bugs/597763]
seen with all version, built with Tcl8.5
To reproduce the bug, use the following class:
class x(object):
TEST = hello
THE_MAXIMUM = 55
def __init__(self, a, b):
self.a = 3
self.b =
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Attached is the Py3K version of the patch, and a unit test (Py3K only).
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New submission from Brian Curtin cur...@acm.org:
The change to #8413 broke the use of sys.getwindowsversion() in
platform.platform() calls on Windows, which subsequently breaks all runs of
regrtest (e.g. buildbots) since it outputs platform info at the start.
Now that structseq subclasses
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Sorry, messed up indentation on last patch, trying again...
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Brian Curtin cur...@acm.org added the comment:
The following little patch could do the trick.
--- platform.py (revision 82643)
+++ platform.py (working copy)
@@ -606,7 +606,9 @@
# Find out the registry key and some general version infos
winver = GetVersionEx()
-
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Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com added the comment:
Yes, but as I said in the message I linked, that's *not* what I want to do.
I want to change only the behavior of the interactive interpreter and only when
the string sent to stdout is not encodable (so only when the encoding is not
Brian Curtin cur...@acm.org added the comment:
The previously mentioned comments about backwards incompatibility with the
number of items in the sequence are now a problem, since structseq now inherits
from tuple. It seems that n_in_sequence gets ignored and we have a 9 item tuple.
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Thanks for working on this. I tried the py3k patch but it doesn't apply
cleanly. Patch says patch: malformed patch at line 57: followed by an
apparently blank line.
Also, could you please generate the patches from the top level
Demur Rumed junkm...@hotmail.com added the comment:
The seperation of COMPARE_OP into multiple opcodes shouldn't affect cache size
since the opcodes are aliased. Spreading out the switch statement shouldn't
cause issue from flattening, since GCC would inline the single use of
cmp_outcome.
Andy Buckley a...@insectnation.org added the comment:
Personally I think it's a very useful feature: the purpose for running which
may not be to get the full path to the executable and then run it, but rather
that that path prefix is important for something else. I'm sure when I joined
this
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
I think if you change it stop considering non-BMP characters as printable,
somebody will complain. If you change it in any other way, somebody will
complain. Somebody will always complain - so you might as well leave things the
way they
Brian Curtin cur...@acm.org added the comment:
A side effect of this change is that it kills the ability to have a
PyStructSequence which has a smaller visible size than the total number of
items. For example, sys.getwindowsversion used to have 5 items in the sequence
and 4 items accessible
New submission from Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr:
Now that the option has probably been extensively tested, it would be nice to
enable computed gotos by default on systems that support them.
Perhaps this needs a dedicated test in the configure script.
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Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
Ok, my bad. The implementation already has a __del__ method.
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New submission from Daniel Urban urban.dani...@gmail.com:
The documentation of PyType_Type
(http://docs.python.org/dev/py3k/c-api/type.html#PyType_Type) is this:
This is the type object for type objects; it is the same object as type and
types.TypeType in the Python layer.
But in py3k there
Demur Rumed junkm...@hotmail.com added the comment:
Replaced TARGET_DUP_TOPX with _unknown_opcode
I recompiled with --with-computed-gotos, and the results remain promising,
though the interpreter instead grows from 6756023B to 6765167B
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Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk added the comment:
As the patch is a one liner couldn't someone pick this up? I would have done
it myself but just don't understand wsgi at all.
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Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk added the comment:
Presumably this is still valid?
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Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
Here, your patch actually show a slowdown on pybench with computed gotos.
Results attached.
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Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk added the comment:
It would be a lot of work to fix this as the month names are hardcoded in
English in test_calendar.py
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Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com added the comment:
Surely we don't want to find every place that uses structseq and fix them. This
will no doubt break user code as well.
I think we'll need to fix structseq to somehow have its old behavior.
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Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
Patch committed in 82647 (3.2) and 82648 (2.7). Thanks!
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Dave Malcolm dmalc...@redhat.com added the comment:
test_gdb fails (Unable to read information on python frame) on my i386
computer (32 bits) with -O1 (but it doesn't with -O0). I'm using Debian
Sid: gcc 4.4.3 and gdb 7.1.
This should be fixed now that issue 8605 is resolved: we now skip
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
The patch works ok on 2.7 but fails to apply on 3.2. Can you provide a 3.2
patch as well?
Also, instead of `sys.maxunicode == 0x10`, it would be better to use
something more future-proof such as `sys.maxunicode = 0x1`.
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This is only an issue on release31-maint. py3k and release27-maint passed this
test when I ran from H:\ with my source on C:\.
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This should be fixed now that issue 8605 is resolved: we now skip test_gdb if
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Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk added the comment:
I can't reproduce this on Windows Vista despite setting the system locale to
Dutch. Is the problem Mac OSx specific?
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Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk added the comment:
Would this patch be acceptable, yes or no?
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Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk added the comment:
To move this forward would need patches against py3k, assuming that the
original patch is agreed upon in principle.
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Greg Brockman g...@ksplice.com added the comment:
For what it's worth, I think I have a simpler reproducer of this issue. Using
freshly-compiled python-from-trunk (as well as multiprocessing-from-trunk), I
get tracebacks from the following about 30% of the time:
import multiprocessing, time
Alexander Belopolsky belopol...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment:
A side effect of this change is that it kills the ability to have a
PyStructSequence which has a smaller visible size than the total
number of items.
Hmm. I was looking for this precise issue when I was reviewing the
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
I hadn't seen this issue existed. This has been done in r80071 (see issue
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Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com added the comment:
Greg - what platform?
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Greg Brockman g...@ksplice.com added the comment:
I'm on Ubuntu 10.04, 64 bit.
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Brian Curtin cur...@acm.org added the comment:
Agreed. This started out as a knee-jerk reaction to regrtest not working, but
the problem is deeper.
Closing this. The structseq stuff is being dealt with elsewhere.
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Giampaolo Rodola' g.rod...@gmail.com added the comment:
The patch as-is can't be accepted if not for Python 4.x maybe, obviously
because it's just too breaking.
A proper patch would provide aliases for the removed attributes and raise a
DeprecationWarning in case they are accessed.
It would
Erik Demaine edema...@mit.edu added the comment:
As mentioned in the original request, there are at least two motivations for
which functionality that are distinct from running the program (these days,
with the subprocess module). #1 was detecting existence of a program. #2 was
finding the
Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk added the comment:
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Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com added the comment:
Greg - this is actually a different exception then the original bug report;
could you please file a new issue with the information you've provided? I'm
going to need to find a 64bit ubuntu box as I don't have one right now.
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I have recently begun using multiprocessing for a variety of batch
jobs. It's a great library, and it's been quite useful. However, I have been
bitten several times by situations where a worker process in a Pool will
unexpectedly die,
New submission from Alexander Belopolsky belopol...@users.sourceforge.net:
Most likely the same underlying problem as in issue 9202, but can be seen on a
non-windows platform.
from os import *
stat('/')
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in module
SystemError: NULL
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Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment:
I apologize for not reading the first post more carefully, thank you for
restating the use cases. I’m +1 now and I’ll review the patches to make
it up :)
Bugs may take years to get fixed. Now that Tarek has expressed interest,
be sure that this
New submission from Greg Brockman g...@ksplice.com:
On Ubuntu 10.04, using freshly-compiled python-from-trunk (as well as
multiprocessing-from-trunk), I get tracebacks from the following about 30% of
the time:
import multiprocessing, time
def foo(x):
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Greg Brockman g...@ksplice.com added the comment:
Sure thing. See http://bugs.python.org/issue9207.
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Is this still an issue with more recent versions of Python?
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Thanks greg; so this affects 2.6 as well (not using the backport at all)
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Would someone with knowledge of subprocess please comment on this.
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Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com added the comment:
I got some time and did an experiment to deduce how multiple groups behave.
This comment is rather long, a very short summary of the results is that OSX
behaves oddly.
What I did:
* This is on OSX 10.6
* Create 18 groups named group1
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Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com added the comment:
The documentation issue appears present in 2.7 (and 2.6).
Further, the Py_buffer member 'obj' is undocumented, and the in-line comment in
object.h falsely states that it is a borrowed reference, whereas
PyBuffer_Release()
Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com added the comment:
Jyrki: could you please explain how you build Python to get the behavior you're
seeing? The most important bit: what is the exact command-line that is used to
run the configure script, and what is the contents of the environment while
Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk added the comment:
Even if the patch is acceptable it would need to be updated for Python 3.2.
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On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Ronald Oussoren rep...@bugs.python.org wrote:
..
Note that explicitly setting the effective uid and gid of processes is
somewhat frowned upon by Apple, they'd prefer if all daemon
Greg Brockman g...@ksplice.com added the comment:
That's likely a mistake on my part. I'm not observing this using the stock
version of multiprocessing on my Ubuntu machine(after running O(100) times). I
do, however, observe it when using either python2.7 or python2.6 with
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