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New submission from Peter Heiberg pe...@sveumsondre.no:
I recently installed Win7 on my laptop, and installed the x86 Python 2.7
package. IDLE fails to even start, and shows nothing but a process in task
manager. I've tried compatibility modes both to Vista and XPSP2, with no luck.
I ran
Georg Brandl ge...@python.org added the comment:
Thanks, I've committed this as r87760 and r87761.
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John J Lee jj...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment:
karl: I'm not clear precisely what it is that you want to draw our attention
to. Note this bug is about parsing of Cookie headers by servers, not
production of Set-Cookie headers by servers.
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Added Travis to nosy list - even if he doesn't have time to finish this off
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R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment:
Yeah, the documentation for the email stuff is in the dev docs. There's a
short summary in the changes section of the email intro with links to the
classes and methods that are affected. But basically you call BinaryFeedParser
and
New submission from Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org:
when sys.executable is run with a modified argv[0] such as:
sh -c exec -a '' /usr/bin/python2.7 -c 'import sys; print(sys.executable)'
it returns some a hardcoded value. In this case, it returns /usr/bin/python.
This value is likely
Amaury Forgeot d'Arc amaur...@gmail.com added the comment:
- unit tests are needed.
- Py_LONG_LONG should be used instead of long long, and the cast removed.
- The patch assumes that longlong == int64, but is it true on all platforms?
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Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com added the comment:
I always thought that one of the reasons for specifying the length was in case
a pointer pointed to garbage: at least you'd be limiting how much trash was
printed. But maybe that's just my imagination and there is no such reason.
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karl karl+pythonb...@la-grange.net added the comment:
John: Ah sorry, if I misunderstood. The bug seems to say that it is about the
Cookie Name and legal chars for this cookie name. What I was trying to say is
that the processing of the Cookie Name is different depending if you are a
client
Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com added the comment:
Nick, it sounds as though you have an idea of how you think things should be
working here---perhaps you can help me out. I'd really like to understand what
the implementation should look like from the POV of a 3rd party module that
defines
Ross Lagerwall rosslagerw...@gmail.com added the comment:
Here is a draft patch.
It uses the *at functions and fdlistdir consequently it only makes it safe if
those functions are available. It works using a recursive implementation and an
open file descriptor pointing to a directory, instead
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org added the comment:
I believe you are right that the io module does not support intermixing calls
to the main object and its buffer attribute
I’ve learned in a recent discussion on web-sig that you can mix them, provided
that you call stream.flush() before using
John J Lee jj...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment:
Again, I don't think this is relevant, because the bug is about servers parsing
Cookie: headers. Note that that string (the value of the Cookie: header) may
be generated by a different server than the server that parses it (see the
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
I believe you are right that the io module does not support intermixing
calls to the main object and its buffer attribute; that's why detach
was introduced, I believe.
Writing is ok as long as you call flush() on the text layer when
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
Thanks for the patch.
There seems to be a race remaining here:
+try:
+if os.path.islink(path):
+# symlinks to directories are forbidden, see bug #1669
+raise OSError(Cannot call rmtree on a
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Can you start IDLE from the command line and see if there is any output?
c:\python27\python.exe -m idlelib.idle
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Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com added the comment:
PEP 3118 makes it clear that the underlying object should see *two* pairs of
calls to the buffer methods:
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3118/#the-py-buffer-struct
Even if we ignore the undocumented obj field, the target object needs to
Alexander Belopolsky belopol...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment:
Attached patch, issue10827b.diff, fixes the accept2dyear = True issue and
removes unnecessary struct_time to tuple conversion, but otherwise does not
change the Y2K behavior. The code handling accept2dyear is refactored
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
However, I believe the current memoryview implementation does the
wrong thing and only calls them once, and then duplicates the
Py_buffer structures without ever going back to the original objects
(that opinion was based on a quick scan of the
Sandro Tosi sandro.t...@gmail.com added the comment:
Ok, I've changed the version field and refreshed the patch against py3k.
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Ross Lagerwall rosslagerw...@gmail.com added the comment:
Updated patch removes the race condition. Since an open follows symlinks, you
can't just fstat the fd to see if it is a link. I followed the following to
overcome this:
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
Le mercredi 05 janvier 2011 à 16:58 +, Ross Lagerwall a écrit :
Ross Lagerwall rosslagerw...@gmail.com added the comment:
Updated patch removes the race condition. Since an open follows symlinks, you
can't just fstat the fd to see if it
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
Ok, here is a patch which prefers the default timeout (if set) over fixing of
inherited flags. Tested under Linux, Windows, OpenSolaris.
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karl karl+pythonb...@la-grange.net added the comment:
agreed. :)
Then my question about parsing rules for libraries. Is interoperability a plus
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John J Lee jj...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment:
Yes, interoperability is good. Do you have a specific concern about the change
that I proposed?
If not, and you're instead just trying to ensure conformance, by all means read
the draft specification that you pointed out and look for
John J Lee jj...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment:
Yes, interoperability is good. Do you have a specific concern about the change
that I proposed?
If not, and you're instead just trying to ensure conformance, by all means read
the draft specification that you pointed out and look for
Sandro Tosi sandro.t...@gmail.com added the comment:
This was already fixed (in an unrelated commit) with r85630 and prevoious, so
I'm marking this issue as closed.
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Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
Well, the issue is that signedness differs depending on the platform. Under
Windows, thread ids are signed (DWORD). Satisfying all cases would complicate
things quite a bit.
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Amaury Forgeot d'Arc amaur...@gmail.com added the comment:
no, DWORD is a 32-bit unsigned integer
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa383751(VS.85).aspx
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R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment:
Another alternative might be to return None (refuse the temptation to
guess). But, given the long standing nature of the current guessing, having
it return the specific version string may indeed make sense.
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Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
no, DWORD is a 32-bit unsigned integer
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa383751(VS.85).aspx
Oops, my bad.
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Ross Lagerwall rosslagerw...@gmail.com added the comment:
I think I misread the original implementation. Here is an updated version with
that code just taken out.
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Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
I'm not sure what the point of this patch is, since it's basically testing
operating system behaviour, rather than Python behaviour. I think that we could
have a single additional test case for bad inputs and leave it at that.
But in any case,
Peter Heiberg pe...@sveumsondre.no added the comment:
The command line opens, but displays nothing but the white flashing underscore..
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New submission from Alexandru Moșoi alexan...@mosoi.ro:
If I try to download a inexistent file I get a TypeError which is thrown during
exception handling.
import urllib.request
urllib.request.urlretrieve('missing')
Traceback (most recent call last):
File
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Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
Doc patch committed in r87762.
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Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
Ok, I've changed assertEquals to assertEqual and committed the tests in
r87765. Thank you!
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Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
Ok, here is a patch which prefers the default timeout (if set) over fixing of
inherited flags. Tested under Linux, Windows, OpenSolaris.
This patch looks fine to me. Please also update the accept documentation
to explain the situation
Alexander Belopolsky belopol...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment:
The patch contains a lot of repeated boilerplate code. I wonder if some of it
can be factored out and reused. For example iov buffer allocation code appears
to be identical in writev and readv.
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Alternatively, val_int should have type sqlite3_int64, which is the return type
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Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
The patch seems a bit confused at times. For example, you need to restore errno
before calling PyErr_SetFromErrno().
Here is a new patch for py3k.
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Brian Curtin cur...@acm.org added the comment:
Have you confirmed that the IDLE window isn't just opened behind another window
or possibly minimized? I don't know the cause of this, but a coworker has seen
a few times where IDLE will open but it isn't the main focused window (hiding
behind a
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Barry A. Warsaw ba...@python.org added the comment:
For Python 3.2, I think adding the version number alone makes sense. Can you
think of any situations where the trailing digits could break something?
For Python 3.2 I'd suggest also adding the build flags to sys.executable. If
you want
Peter Heiberg pe...@sveumsondre.no added the comment:
The IDLE window doesn't open, the taskbar shows no icons and IDLE does not show
up under Task Manager's Application tab..
Also, whenever I open an instance of IDLE, two instances of the .exe shows up
under the Processes tab:
one instance
Brian Curtin cur...@acm.org added the comment:
Weird. I'm not sure what could be happening here, and I'm not an IDLE user so I
don't really have anything else to try out here.
I noticed your email address is for what I think is a Norwegian domain. Is your
Windows install set to be a language
Barry A. Warsaw ba...@python.org added the comment:
Peter, please explain exactly how you built Python to trigger this bug. I.e.
include the exact commands and directories you used. I cannot reproduce this
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Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de added the comment:
Martin, we would like to exclude Py_buffer from the stable ABI for
Python 3.2, until we have a chance to thrash out the missing pieces
of the documentation for 3.3. I *think* it is a documentation
problem, but until we're certain, it
New submission from Josh Hanson surely.you.j...@gmail.com:
Example code:
try:
sys.stdin.read()
except KeyboardInterrupt:
print Interrupted!
except:
print Some other exception?
finally:
print cleaning up...
print done.
Test: run the code
Peter Heiberg pe...@sveumsondre.no added the comment:
I am running the EN-US version of Win7, with Norwegian regional and keyboard
settings. Tried changing everything to EN-US, with no change in results. Also
tried deactivating visual themes and desktop composition for the .exe.
What text
Peter Heiberg pe...@sveumsondre.no added the comment:
Hey, progress! I ran python.exe, typed import idlelib.idle, pressed enter -
same blinking underscore as before. Then i pressed Ctrl+C, and WHOA,
python.exe prints 25 lines of something, and the Python Shell (pythonw.exe)
pops up!
There
Brian Curtin cur...@acm.org added the comment:
Ah! You might want to take a look at #6941. Your firewall might be blocking
IDLE's communications.
In Windows 7, if you go to Control Panel and search for firewall in the top
right search box, it'll show an option to make an exception for a
Peter Heiberg pe...@sveumsondre.no added the comment:
My Windows Firewall have been turned off from the day I installed Win7, so that
couldn't cause it.. I also tried deactivating UAC, with no luck. Running with
administrative privileges, without any results.
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I have a compatibility module for subprocess in python-2.7 for people who are
stuck on python-2.4 (without check_call) and they got a traceback from trying
to use compat.subprocess.list2cmdline().
In order to use the stdlib's subprocess
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment:
Well, the digits are there if they are there in the name when that's actually
what is in argv[0], so as long as that's the name the binary is actually
installed under I don't think it will break anything. I presume the same
applies to
Georg Brandl ge...@python.org added the comment:
IMO none of these three are meant to be public, and neither are they
documented. (Although the docs make a reference to the list2cmdline
*method*, which should probably just be removed.)
I remember a thread on python-dev about public-API-ness.
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
Ok, I committed the patch in r87768 and overhauled the timeout docs in r87769.
I'm not sure this should be backported (because of the very slight behaviour
change), so I'm closing.
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Nadeem Vawda nadeem.va...@gmail.com added the comment:
Fix attached for test_imaplib. Most of the warnings were simply due to
reap_server() not closing the server object correctly. The remaining warning
was due a genuine leak in imaplib.IMAP4.__init__() - if an exception is raised
after the
New submission from Adrien Saladin adrien.sala...@gmail.com:
Hi,
The following script shows two problems with email.mime.text.MIMEText:
- first the use of msg['To'] seems confusing because its dictionnary-like
syntax made me think it acts as a set or replace, but in fact is working as a
Pierre Quentel pierre.quen...@gmail.com added the comment:
I agree that the only consistent solution is to impose that the attribute
self.fp must read bytes in all cases, all required conversions should occur
inside FieldStorage, using some encoding (not sure how to define it...)
If no
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfrever@gmail.com added the comment:
I rather doubt that there will be any problem with Python invoked through a
wrapper.
Gentoo's python-wrapper isn't used when target executable (e.g.
/usr/bin/python3.1) is directly called. A side effect of
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Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com added the comment:
IIRC, it was more along the lines of: all private names should be underscored.
The difference being that we get to choose whether currently non-underscored
names should get underscored, should be deprecated and then underscored, or
should
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com added the comment:
The behaviour you observe is by design, and documented. The email package
needs to be able to handle RFC-invalid input, which includes messages with
multiple instances of fields that are supposed to be singletons. It also needs
to
Alexander Belopolsky belopol...@users.sourceforge.net added the comment:
I would like to push this for 3.2. Recent discussions at issue10827 and on
python-dev seem to favor removal of arbitrary limits on year range.
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Dave Malcolm dmalc...@redhat.com added the comment:
FWIW, I just added this patch downstream to Fedora's python 3 builds:
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=python3.git;a=blob_plain;f=python-3.2b2-fix-ppc-debug-build.patch;hb=5659c63442be2e91eb42e60284d7a9a9ab0b80dd
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Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
FWIW, I just added this patch downstream to Fedora's python 3 builds:
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=python3.git;a=blob_plain;f=python-3.2b2-fix-ppc-debug-build.patch;hb=5659c63442be2e91eb42e60284d7a9a9ab0b80dd
Any reason not to commit
Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com added the comment:
R. David said:
(I believe http uses latin-1 when no charset is specified, but I need to double
check that)
See http://bugs.python.org/issue4953#msg121864 ASCII and UTF-8 are what HTTP
defines. Some implementations may, in fact, use
Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com added the comment:
For other's reference, there were three threads in November2010 that touch on
this:
:About removing argparse.__all__ or adding more methods to it:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-November/105147.html
:Removing tk
Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
Antoine said:
(this is all funny in the light of the web-sig discussion where people
explain that CGI is such a natural model)
Thanks for clarifying the stdin buffering vs. binary issue... it is as
I suspected. Maybe you can also explain
STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
Fix attached for test_imaplib
Oh thanks! Commited as r8 and r87778. I just changed the name of the
subfunction.
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Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
So, MAXFD, list2cmdline, and mswindows seem to be left out.
IMO they should all be prefixed with an underscore. Greg?
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Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr added the comment:
I'm closing it in the hope that it's fixed. If it reappears, we'll have to
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STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
set the trace function later. Eg. replace exec(cmd, ...)
by code=compile(cmd, ...) + exec(code) and set the trace function
after the call to compile.
Implemented in the attached patch, bdb.patch: trace the execution of the code,
New submission from Antoine Pitrou pit...@free.fr:
The docs for s* and friends should mention that contiguity of the buffer is
automatically enforced.
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STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
See also #8991.
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STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
See also #8215.
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STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
Ah ok, now I remember the story. I cleaned up getargs.c recently. r83197
(#8991) removes the support of discontinious buffers. I guess that most
developers don't know what a discontinious buffer is and so they don't support
this
STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
bdb.patch doesn't work if cmd is not a string (if cmd is a code object).
r87780 fixes this issue: bdb.Bdb.run() only traces the execution of the code,
not the compilation (if the input is a string).
With this fix, the whole test
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STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
test_threadsignals hang on x86 FreeBSD 3.x buildbot since at least the 17th
december (build 1030, r87341).
What is FreeBSD 6.4? Another buildbot?
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STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
test_threadsignals hang also on x86 gentoo 3.x since at least the 17th
december (build 3681, r87348).
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STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
x86 gentoo 3.x is an old Linux setup, see #4970: glibc 2.3.4,
linuxthreads-0.10 and Linux kernel 2.6.9-gentoo-r1. linuxthreads is the old
implementation of threads on Linux. It was replaced by NPTL with Linux kernel
2.6 and the
STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
x86 debian parallel 3.x buildbot is green again! :-)
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STINNER Victor victor.stin...@haypocalc.com added the comment:
I am unable to reproduce test_threadsignals hang with my FreeBSD 8.0 VM. A bug
was maybe fixed between FreeBSD 7.2 and FreeBSD 8.0?
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Nadeem Vawda nadeem.va...@gmail.com added the comment:
Awesome. That just leaves test_urllibnet, test_urllib2net, and test_cgi. I'm
hoping to post patches for the first two tomorrow.
About test_cgi, I've fiddled around with it a bit more. The leak manifests
itself with any set of tests
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com added the comment:
It's OK if the Py_buffer is on the stack - it's just a unique identifier for
the exporter to use as a key, not something the exporter controls the lifecycle
of (the latter is true only for the pointers *inside* the struct, such as buf,
shape,
New submission from Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com:
Per Antoine's request, I wrote this test code, it isn't elegant, I whipped it
together quickly; but it shows the issue. The issue may be one of my
ignorance, but it does show the behavior I described in issue 4953. Here's the
output
Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com added the comment:
Pierre said:
In all cases the interpreter must be launched with the -u option. As stated in
the documentation, the effect of this option is to force the binary layer of
the stdin, stdout and stderr streams (which is available as their
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com added the comment:
Martin's patch for the PEP 384 adjustments looks good to me.
A note in the PEP that we've deliberately excluded this on a temporary basis
due to the implementation/documentation mismatch and expect to have it back in
for 3.3 might be helpful,
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