[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

New submission from Serhiy Storchaka: Added this issue as a place for discussion and release blocker for 3.5. -- assignee: yselivanov components: Documentation messages: 250549 nosy: larry, serhiy.storchaka, yselivanov priority: release blocker severity: normal status: open title:

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Larry Hastings added the comment: You wait until the day of release for 3.5.0 final, then create a "release blocker" because some items in the What's New documentation aren't lexographically sorted? We tagged the release yesterday. The installers are already built. I am not holding up the

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment: Personally I found few interesting Python 3.5 features just reading recent commit log for Doc/whatsnew/3.5.rst. Without this they would be unknown for me. -- ___ Python tracker

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment: Sorry, but I thought that such issue already exist. Yury and Elvis made a lot of changes in What's New in few last days and continue to edit it. Are these changes included in 3.5.0 final? Without their What's New just isn't ready. --

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment: Some modules in the "Improved Modules" section are out of lexicographic order: csv, ssl. -- ___ Python tracker ___

[issue25087] Type variable substitution in type instances

New submission from Stefan Krah: If a type scheme is instantiated, should the type variables in the class body be substituted? This is an example (typed by hand on a locked down Windows machine, may contain errors): alpha = TypeVar('alpha') beta = TypeVar('beta') class ABTuple(Generic[alpha,

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Stefan Behnel added the comment: Thanks, Yury! -- ___ Python tracker ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Elvis Pranskevichus added the comment: Larry, it looks like the "Detailed Release Information" link on the release page still points to rc3, which is a 404 now. Also, there doesn't seem to be a link to the "What's new" document, only a Misc/NEWS link. --

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Yury Selivanov added the comment: And can we point https://docs.python.org/3/ to 3.5 docs? -- ___ Python tracker ___

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Yury Selivanov added the comment: Larry, Please rebuild the documentation, we've pushed the last round of edits in 746add37495c. Also, could you please merge 3.5 into default -- I don't know how to resolve some conflicts after your 3.5.0 -> 3.5 merge. > I could add a "What's New" link

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Larry Hastings added the comment: I don't know how to do it. I asked the Documentation Expert member of the Python 3.5 release team, but it seems he's afk at the moment. I'm trying to find someone else who knows how to do it. -- ___ Python

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment: ssl should be between sqlite3 and subprocess. -- ___ Python tracker ___

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Stefan Behnel added the comment: Could I get a little note in the collections.abc section that the new ABCs "Generator", "Coroutine" and "Awaitable" are available as backports in the "backports_abc" package on PyPI? https://pypi.python.org/pypi/backports_abc I'd like to prevent others from

[issue25088] scipy (0.16.0) install fails on 3.5

New submission from Naveen Togar: SciPy install using pip fails with the following error: Running from scipy source directory. /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/numpy/distutils/system_info.py:594: UserWarning: Specified path

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Roundup Robot added the comment: New changeset aa288ad94089 by Yury Selivanov in branch '3.5': whatsnew/3.5: Fix typo (issue #25082) https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/aa288ad94089 -- ___ Python tracker

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Larry Hastings added the comment: I'm hoping to release 3.5.0 final in the next hour or two. I don't want to hold up the release for your changes. However, when you're done making changes to the document, and they're all checked in, let me know and I'll manually build it and push it to the

[issue25085] Windows x86-64 embeddable zip file contains test directorys

New submission from Wolfgang Langner: The Windows x86-64 embeddable zip file (and possible the one for 32bit) includes some unnecessary test folders in python35.zip with test scripts. python35.zip\distutils\tests\ python35.zip\unittest\test\ python35.zip\lib2to3\tests\ python35.zip\ctypes\test\

[issue25086] Windows x86-64 embeddable zip file, lot of big EXE files in distuils

New submission from Wolfgang Langner: In the Windows x86-64 embeddable zip file in python35.zip\distutils\command\ are a lot of big EXE files. Possible during build for different VC compilers. I don't know the exact structure but thing there should only be EXE's for the actual used compiler to

[issue24665] CJK support for textwrap

Changes by Florent Gallaire : Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file40451/CJK+fix.patch ___ Python tracker ___

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Changes by Elvis Pranskevichus : -- nosy: +Elvis.Pranskevichus ___ Python tracker ___ ___

[issue25084] remove semi-busy loop in py2.7 threading.Condition.wait(timeout=x)

New submission from Flavio Grossi: threading.Condition.wait(timeout=x) is implemented in python 2 as a semi-busy loop which causes cpu wakeups and unexpected cpu use. I think this is somewhat problematic since it causes problems in all modules which use that method, such as Queue.get() when

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Larry Hastings added the comment: The "Detailed Release Information" link is correct. You probably just have an old cached copy of something. I could add a "What's New" link somewhere. Though both of these things are interesting, neither of them is relevant to this issue. Maybe you could

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Yury Selivanov added the comment: > Some modules in the "Improved Modules" section are out of lexicographic > order: csv, ssl. Yes, these two weren't properly ordered by *2nd* letter. Fixed. >>-constructor. All converters defined in config parser (either by subclassing >>or Good catch.

[issue24965] Implement PEP 498: Literal String Formatting

Changes by Yury Selivanov : -- nosy: +elvis ___ Python tracker ___ ___ Python-bugs-list

[issue25061] Add native enum support for argparse

paul j3 added the comment: I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'the enum type to be stored directly'. With my type function, the string input is converted to an enum object and that is stored in the Namespace. You can't be any more direct than that. Or are you thinking that `argparse` has

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Yury Selivanov added the comment: > ssl should be between sqlite3 and subprocess. It makes sense that ssl module description follows the socket module. -- resolution: -> fixed stage: -> resolved status: open -> closed ___ Python tracker

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment: Many thanks to Yury and Elvis for your work on What's New. -- ___ Python tracker ___

[issue25088] scipy (0.16.0) install fails on 3.5

Carol Willing added the comment: I am unable to pip install scipy, numpy, or pandas using 3.5.0 on OS X 10.10.4. After installing Python 3.5 using the installer downloaded from Python.org page, I created a virtualenv using `pyvenv myscipy` and activated with `source myscipy\bin\activate`.

[issue25063] shutil.copyfileobj should internally use os.sendfile when possible

desbma added the comment: If I understand you correctly, a naive implementation like this: use_chunk_copy = False try: fdsrc = fsrc.fileno() fddst = fdst.fileno() except OSError: # fallback on current chunk based Python copy use_chunk_copy = True else: # we have 2 fd, try sendfile

[issue25087] Type variable substitution in type instances

Guido van Rossum added the comment: Good question. Let's discuss this in the type hinting / pep 484 tracker: https://github.com/ambv/typehinting/issues/156 -- ___ Python tracker

[issue25088] scipy (0.16.0) install fails on 3.5

Ned Deily added the comment: For 3.4 and 2.7, the SciPy and matplotlib projects supply pre-compiled wheels for their distributions. As of this moment, they haven't yet updated their PyPI entries with 3.5 wheels (.whl files). Until they do, pip would fall back to trying to build them from

[issue25061] Add native enum support for argparse

desbma added the comment: I would like the enum type to be stored directly. With your approach, the user does not know what are the possible choices, until he/she tries a invalid value and get the exception. If I pass the enum type to the choice parameter, the help message is not very user

[issue25082] Editing What's New In Python 3.5

Yury Selivanov added the comment: Thanks, Serhiy! -- ___ Python tracker ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list

[issue25063] shutil.copyfileobj should internally use os.sendfile when possible

Changes by STINNER Victor : -- nosy: +haypo ___ Python tracker ___ ___

[issue25088] scipy (0.16.0) install fails on 3.5

Naveen Togar added the comment: I didn't have any issues with either numpy or pandas. I just tried installing matplotlib and that failed too. -- ___ Python tracker

[issue25088] scipy (0.16.0) install fails on 3.5

Carol Willing added the comment: Naveen, I was able to resolve this problem for installation by installing gfortran using the instructions here: http://hpc.sourceforge.net/ After gfortran is successfully installed, I was able to ``pip install scipy -v`` the libraries that depend on gfortran.

[issue25063] shutil.copyfileobj should internally use os.sendfile when possible

Martin Panter added the comment: I don’t know the exact reasoning, but fileno() could be useful for other purposes, e.g. passing to stat() to find the last modification time, passing to select() to see if data is available. -- ___ Python tracker

[issue25089] Can't run Python Launcher on Windows

New submission from Mark Lawrence: I first asked a few days ago, see this thread http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/python/python/1216917. You can work around it by running "repair" but it takes an age to run for what, to me anyway, is a minor irritant. -- components: Windows

[issue6691] Support for nested classes and function for pyclbr

Changes by Terry J. Reedy : -- type: -> enhancement versions: +Python 3.6 -Python 3.2 ___ Python tracker ___

[issue25089] Can't run Python Launcher on Windows

Steve Dower added the comment: Yeah, it's basically impossible to manage PATH automatically. You've probably installed 3.5 just for yourself while 3.4 is installed for all users. In this case, 3.5 will always lose because Windows puts user paths after system paths. You could modify 3.4 to

[issue24965] Implement PEP 498: Literal String Formatting

Martin Panter added the comment: Regarding the null terminator, I was mainly smoke testing your code. :) Maybe it would be too hard to support properly. Although I could imagine someone doing things like this: >>> d = {b"key\x00": "value"} >>> f"key={d[b'key\x00']}" # Oops, escape code at

[issue25090] IDLE: remove noisy icons from class (module) browser

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: Adding function arguments to the module browser, misnamed Class Browser, is #20827. That leaves removing the noisy icons from class and def entries (where they do not fit anyway), as the concrete appearance change proposal here. Better to use the space for

[issue25089] Can't run Python Launcher on Windows

Steve Dower added the comment: I don't understand what you did and what the result was from that thread. * What options did you select when installing 3.5? * What other Python versions did you have? What options were used to install them? * Where was py.exe before installing 3.5? * Can you

[issue25089] Can't run Python Launcher on Windows

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: For anyone else reading this, Mark says he already re-tried with 3.5.0. The only problem I had with the install on my Win7, with 2.7.10, 3.4.3, and 3.5.0rc3 already present, is that 3.4.3 is still the default python (started by 'python') in spite of checking

[issue25090] IDLE: alternative to class browser / code context

New submission from Mark Roseman: Proposal for an alternative or perhaps replacement of both the code context extension, as well as the class browser (rooted at a particular file, not the path browser). I'll direct your attention to the attached browser.png. On the right is IDLE's class

[issue25090] IDLE: alternative to class browser / code context

Raymond Hettinger added the comment: I don't see anything that replaces Code Context. That extension is priceless for people editing classes and methods that extend more than one screen. ISTM, there are too many sweeping change proposals that seem to base on general look and feel but

[issue25091] Please revert the Windows Installer swithch to micro type.

Changes by Terry J. Reedy : -- title: Please revert the Windows Installer to micro type. -> Please revert the Windows Installer swithch to micro type. ___ Python tracker

[issue1612262] Class Browser doesn't show internal classes

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: Class Browser is now a module browser as it includes functions not in classes. I guess pyclbr does this. Enhancing this for current versions would require adding a private copy of enhanced pyclbr to idlelib. -- nosy: +terry.reedy priority: low ->

[issue25091] Windows Installer uses small font

Steve Dower added the comment: Thanks for pointing this out. I'll take a look before 3.5.1. -- title: Please revert the Windows Installer swithch to micro type. -> Windows Installer uses small font ___ Python tracker

[issue25092] Regression: test_datetime fails on 3.5, Win 7, works on 3.4

New submission from Terry J. Reedy: PS C:\Users\Terry> py -3 -m test test_datetime [1/1] test_datetime test test_datetime failed -- Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Programs\Python 3.5\lib\test\datetimetester.py", line 1154, in test_strftime self.assertEqual(t.strftime(""), "")

[issue25078] Document InstallAllUsers installer parameter default 0

Roundup Robot added the comment: New changeset 399b7d5616f1 by Steve Dower in branch '3.5': Closes #25078: Document InstallAllUsers installer parameter default 0 https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/399b7d5616f1 -- nosy: +python-dev resolution: -> fixed stage: -> resolved status: open ->

[issue25091] Please revert the Windows Installer to micro type.

New submission from Terry J. Reedy: The 3.4.3 installer used normal size type (10 point, I believe) in the dialog boxes. I can more or less read this with by non 20/20 eyes. The new 3.5.0 installer uses a smaller type (8? 7? point), which for even more people will mean using a magnifier.

[issue25091] Windows Installer uses small font

Steve Dower added the comment: Actually, what DPI setting are you using? With new UI, it's possible that we're not scaling the same way as before. -- ___ Python tracker

[issue25089] Can't run Python Launcher on Windows

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: I did installed 3.5 for all users. Logging into another user and back changed 'python' association. So ok now. -- ___ Python tracker

[issue25093] New 3.5.0 failure in test_tcl on win7

Zachary Ware added the comment: Looks like an issue with a space in the path. That test has been flaky in the past, though, I assume it's failed multiple times? -- ___ Python tracker

[issue25096] test_gdb failed to read version for gdb >= 7.10

New submission from Felix Yan: The regex in test_gdb reads only one digit of gdb's minor version, which would fail for gdb >= 7.10, and skip the test as 7.1 < 7.4. Original commit: https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/b71cda2f48c6#l1.9 Patch attached. -- components: Tests files:

[issue25093] New 3.5.0 failure in test_tcl on win7

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: I tried more that once before submitting. That directory was a mistake. I since reinstalled 3.5.0 to put it in \Python35 (no space, ) and it works. Does it fail dependable in 'Program Files'? -- ___ Python tracker

[issue12420] distutils tests fail if PATH is not defined

Mark Lawrence added the comment: "Unable to find vcvarsall.bat" is raised when Visual Studio isn't installed or it's the incorrect version, so I don't believe these are the same at all. -- components: -Distutils2 nosy: +dstufft ___ Python tracker

[issue25083] Python can sometimes create incorrect .pyc files

Gregory P. Smith added the comment: we'll need a test case .pyc where this happens. -- ___ Python tracker ___

[issue25094] Test_tools not working on Windows.

Zachary Ware added the comment: Interesting, I got a different failure on 3.5.0: == ERROR: test_sundry (test.test_tools.test_sundry.TestSundryScripts) --

[issue25083] Python can sometimes create incorrect .pyc files

Gregory P. Smith added the comment: Inspecting the 2.7 code: https://hg.python.org/cpython/file/2.7/Python/import.c#l761 following that down to https://hg.python.org/cpython/file/2.7/Python/marshal.c#l1126 it looks like it does the right thing on EOF error (from either getc or from fread)

[issue25101] test_zipfile failure when run by unprivileged user with installed Python

New submission from Zachary Ware: == ERROR: test_write_with_optimization (test.test_zipfile.PyZipFileTests) -- Traceback (most recent call last): File

[issue25102] Windows installer: 'precompile standard library' option should pre-compile with -O and -OO

New submission from Zachary Ware: Since the default all-users install location is now Program Files and thus not world-writable and with the advent of optimization-tagged .pyc files, the 'precompile' option in the installer should also precompile with -O and -OO. -- assignee:

[issue25101] test_zipfile failure when run by unprivileged user with installed Python

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment: Ah, os.access() doesn't work on Windows. -- nosy: +serhiy.storchaka ___ Python tracker ___

[issue25093] New 3.5.0 failure in test_tcl on win7

Zachary Ware added the comment: The patch works, with an added 'import subprocess' and after removing the 'f.close()' check. I hadn't realized this test was still using os.popen, that's fairly horrible :) -- ___ Python tracker

[issue12420] distutils tests fail if PATH is not defined

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: The following failures on new 3.5.0 seems related as they all end with the same message about vcvarsall.bat (slightly different from 3.4 failures). == ERROR: test_get_outputs

[issue25093] New 3.5.0 failure in test_tcl on win7

New submission from Terry J. Reedy: [324/397/3] test_tcl '\\TEJAREX\C$\Programs\Python' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. test test_tcl failed -- Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Programs\Python 3.5\lib\test\test_tcl.py", line

[issue25097] test_logging may fail with 'Access is denied' when pywin32 is installed

New submission from Zachary Ware: With an installed Python with pywin32 installed, running the test as a non-privileged user: == ERROR: test_basic (test.test_logging.NTEventLogHandlerTest)

[issue25089] Can't run Python Launcher on Windows

Mark Lawrence added the comment: I install for all users, don't put Python on the PATH, other than that I think everything is selected. I've 2.6, 2.7. 3.3 and 3.4. I had 3.5.0rc4 and upgraded the existing installation to 3.5.0 full release. I've no idea where py.exe was, but it is now in

[issue12420] distutils tests fail if PATH is not defined

Zachary Ware added the comment: Agreed with Mark; I don't see anywhere that lack of PATH would affect the failures you're seeing, Terry. Do you have VS2015 installed? If not, the failure of distutils to skip the tests that need it should be raised as a separate issue. --

[issue25094] Test_tools not working on Windows.

New submission from Terry J. Reedy: When run at part of test suite on 3.5.0 (win7) [341/397/4] test_tools Usage: 2to3 [options] file|dir ... regrtest.py: error: no such option: --slaveargs test test_tools failed -- Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Programs\Python

[issue25095] test_httpservers hangs on 3.5.0, win 7

New submission from Terry J. Reedy: test_httpservers ok on 3.4.3, hangs indefinitely (over an hour) on 3.5.0, win 7. -- components: Library (Lib), Tests, Windows messages: 250606 nosy: paul.moore, steve.dower, terry.reedy, tim.golden, zach.ware priority: normal severity: normal status:

[issue25098] test_uuid fails with pywin32 installed

New submission from Zachary Ware: With installed Python with pywin32 installed: == ERROR: test_netbios_getnode (test.test_uuid.TestInternals) -- Traceback

[issue25099] test_compileall fails when run by unprivileged user on installed Python

New submission from Zachary Ware: == FAIL: test_no_args_respects_force_flag (test.test_compileall.CommandLineTests) -- Traceback (most recent call last): File

[issue25093] New 3.5.0 failure in test_tcl on win7

Zachary Ware added the comment: Yes, installation in 'Program Files' produces the failure. Looks like it's probably just bad quoting in the test, but I haven't looked at the code yet. This probably affects 2.7 and up, I don't think there have been any changes to that test in recent

[issue25092] Regression: test_datetime fails on 3.5, Win 7, works on 3.4

Changes by Terry J. Reedy : -- versions: +Python 3.5 ___ Python tracker ___ ___

[issue25092] Regression: test_datetime fails on 3.5, Win 7, works on 3.4

Alexander Belopolsky added the comment: Looks like something related to issue 24917. -- nosy: +JohnLeitch, steve.dower ___ Python tracker ___

[issue25092] Regression: test_datetime fails on 3.5, Win 7, works on 3.4

Changes by John Leitch : -- nosy: +brycedarling ___ Python tracker ___ ___

[issue25092] Regression: test_datetime fails on 3.5, Win 7, works on 3.4

Zachary Ware added the comment: I can reproduce. I'm bewildered as to why none of the buildbots are complaining about this. -- nosy: +zach.ware ___ Python tracker

[issue25100] Test_distutils fails instead of skipping if no VS2015

New submission from Terry J. Reedy: Moved here from #12420 as a new and separate issue after diagnosis by Mark Lawrence and Zack Ware. The following failures on new 3.5.0 all end with the same message about vcvarsall.bat (slightly different from 3.4 failures).

[issue12420] distutils tests fail if PATH is not defined

Terry J. Reedy added the comment: No VS2015 yet. New issue #25100. Thanks. -- ___ Python tracker ___ ___

[issue25092] Regression: test_datetime fails on 3.5, Win 7, works on 3.4

Zachary Ware added the comment: Interestingly, the re-run performed by regrtest's '-w' flag did not fail. -- ___ Python tracker ___

[issue25093] New 3.5.0 failure in test_tcl on win7

Serhiy Storchaka added the comment: Could you please test with following patch? -- keywords: +patch stage: needs patch -> patch review Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file40454/testLoadWithUNC.diff ___ Python tracker

[issue25104] Wrong documentation for "chr(i)" function.

New submission from m: The documentation of the "chr(i)" function is not correct, it states that The valid range for the argument is from 0 through 1,114,111 (0x10 in base 16). Correction: The valid range for the argument is from 0 through 255 (0xFF in base 16). -- assignee: