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Sorry, INADA, you are right.
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Yeap, Ammar just told me the same suggestion on GitHub :)
PR will be a little more ambitious now, as I'm replacing all he/him/she/her
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PR adds some "or she/her".
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Andrés Delfino added the comment:
I have updated the PR with a FAQ that mentions all implementations mentioned
here, except Cython and Stackless Python.
I added RapydScript as it's used by VPython for Web visualization, in the
category of client-side scripting pythonesque languages
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If having a link to that specific console is not deemed appropriate, perhaps we
can point to PythonAnywhere.
IMHO, it's good to let users know that they can try Python right away without
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
The FAQ talks about list and dictionary implementation details using "Python".
I believe this should be changed to CPython.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
IHMO, having all questions put together is really useful.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
The reporthook of urllib.request.urlretrieve is treated as a function hook,
while the right term is "callable".
PR fixes this.
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Andrés Delfino added the comment:
IMHO, if we deem it useful for users not to expect the time complexity of a
linked list for list elements access to the extent of adding a comment in the
glossary, there's no reason it isn't useful to someone who is reading the
actual list definition
Andrés Delfino added the comment:
INADA, I believe that piece of information is on the Glossary just to make the
difference with a "linked list", but in that case, it should be in the list
definition too, as it's fair to think people can learn what a list is by
reading its defini
Andrés Delfino added the comment:
If O(1) time complexity for element access is not a requirement (which it seems
it's not), I agree that this PR as it is should be closed, and the Glossary
entry should have this detail removed.
In that case, can I edit the PR or should I open a new one
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As far as I know, mypy and pytype are more advanced that any of the other tools
mentioned in the FAQ for static analysis, however we are not touching them.
PR adds mentions.
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IMHO, it's a good opportunity to advertise the convenience of breakpoint().
PR adds a mention.
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What do you think about also mentioning Skulpt and Brython? On one hand, they
-like MicroPython/CirtcuitPython- cover a focus no other implementation does
(and a special one: client side Web scripting); but on the other hand, we
shouldn't make space
Andrés Delfino added the comment:
Sorry, I didn't knew that :) I'll update the PR adding an entry in the FAQ.
With "CPython" in "pythonesque implementation like MicroPython, CircuitPython,
CPython" did you mean Cython?
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
Reference 9.1. says: "Under Unix, a complete program can be passed to the
interpreter in three forms...".
This also applies to Windows. PR fixes this.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
IMHO, mentioning MicroPython is a plus because it's a mature project with a
focus not covered by any of the other mentioned implementations.
PR adds the mention.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
Glossary talks about list access complexity, but the actual list definition
doesn't. I think glossary entries should have more information than actual
definitions.
PR adds list access complexity to list definition.
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I thought since dictionary and list is there, tuple/set/frozenset should be,
too. But I think you are right.
I'd keep the link to the list definition, though. I didn't add a link to the
dictionary definition as "dictionary" seems to be a very
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Sorry, for some reason the PR doesn't show the intended changes. I'm working on
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Andrés Delfino added the comment:
For context, I opened this issue after Raymond's reasoning in #33825 (which I
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Terry:
I have updated the PR with the original intention. You'll see it is much
simpler.
Pablo:
Don't worry! I take it as a mistake of my own.
Fred:
I believe synonyms aren't the best things to have, but, if used consistently,
they don't pose a real problem
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I'll update the PR so that it shows what the original intention was.
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The original intention of the PR, as shown in this issue, was to add "magic
method" in the Glossary as a synonym for "special method", and add "magic
method" in Data model (so that people reading Data Model would understand what
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
PR adds entries for these three terms and a link to the list definition.
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Something I forgot: we shouldn't write documentation that expects the user
*not* to know that dictionaries are ordered now. It's described in What's New
and in Built-in Types. That's why "ordered dictionaries" seems so w
Andrés Delfino added the comment:
The problem here is that while the historical issue is real, new programmers
will come and they won't see a "non-ordered" dict, and having this
"dictionaries" vs "ordered dictionaries" that aren't actual OrderedDict object
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To be a little more clear about this: I don't think one implements a dict-like
object by reading the Glossary reference. At least, we shouldn't expect nor
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Perhaps we can continue the discussion on #33863 as there are more argumnets
there, from all points of view, and when a decision is taken there, we can
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IMHO, the Glossary is just a quick & dirty reference. I wouldn't search for
hard definitions in there. See Built-in Types: "dictionary" is used
specifically for dict.
I believe we should make clear use of definitions so users known exactly wha
Andrés Delfino added the comment:
I believe the discussion in #33863 is relevant. Depending on what the API the
user can rely on, perhaps "an ordered mapping" fits here too.
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What do you mean by "a generic dictionary"? If it's a dict-like object, then it
*must* be ordered starting with 3.7.
I believe we should make it clear that a dictionary is always a dict object.
If you refer to a mapping with no specific API, then &
Andrés Delfino added the comment:
What about "a dictionary-like object" for master/3.7, and "a dictionary-like
object with insertion order preservation" for 3.6 (or something like that).
I'd avoid "ordered dictionary" altogether as that's the
Andrés Delfino added the comment:
What about "a dictionary-like object"?
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It doesn't seem right to me to change a term's meaning. Plus, saying "ordered
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Andrés Delfino added the comment:
I'm not sure "ordered dictionary" is the right term. To me, "ordered
dictionary" and "OrderedDict" are synonyms, just like "dictionary" and "dict"
are. Documentation follows this path in several places.
You
Andrés Delfino added the comment:
I can't really say if it the return of __members__ is an implementation detail
as there's no mention of that in the doc, but from reading the doc I think it's
reasonable to think this is allowed:
import enum
class Colors(enum.Enum):
RED = enum.auto
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
Documentation says __members__ attribute returns an "ordered dictionary" but it
returns a mappingproxy instead.
PR fixes this.
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Please note that DictReader already mentions "OrderedDict" as a type it returns
now. I do see the issue you raise though and I'm not proposing to guarantee
that type for next versions.
I see the benefits of using weak names, but "dictionary
New submission from Andrés Delfino :
IMHO, using "ordered dictionaries" references is somewhat confusing now that
dictionaries preserve insertion order.
PR changes this references to "OrderedDict object".
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
Add PEP 461 title to Built-in Types seealso.
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Yeah, I think you are right. The motivation for this PR was to not have two
PEPs references in the same line, because, IMHO, it looks somewhat weird. Now,
they look like:
"See also: PEP 3115 - Metaclasses in Python 3 PEP 3129 - Class Decorators&qu
Andrés Delfino added the comment:
Thanks, Serhiy! Didn't know I should trace the LaTeX version.
Guido, I'm adding you because it seems you authored or at least agreed on the
current wording. Do you believe this proposal for improvement makes sense?
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I think the idea of having "list" inside parentheses is to document that in
case of sequences, only "one-expression" expression lists are legal.
That being said, IMHO, explaining that in actual prose would be better, but
removing the
Andrés Delfino added the comment:
I think I wasn't clear: I see no reason to not merge this right now.
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Not really. I name all my first commits "Initial commit" as you gals/guys
rename it anyways, and, also, it's usual to be asked for changes :)
I might change my mind after my initial commit, but I only make pull requests
when the first commit _se
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
Currently, the index only refers to decorators for the @ symbol. PR adds entry
for the matrix multiplication operator.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
PR makes the necessary changes to make Doc\make.bat the same as the master
version, except some small differences.
This should help backports.
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Thanks, Steve!
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
PR adds "magic method" to the glossary, and adds a mention in Data Model 3.3.
Special method names.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
The start command understands the first quoted string as the window title, so
nothing is being executed right now.
PR fixes this.
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PR makes all documentation use the same term.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
IMHO, we should replace the "ordered dictionary" with "ordered mapping" now
that regular dictionaries are ordered.
I'm proposing "ordered mapping" instead of "dictionary" because there's no
actual dictionary beh
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Andrés Delfino added the comment:
To what section are you refering by "the entire section"?
On a side note: I'll make a PR to remove the example. IMHO, there should be an
example to give some idea of what a metaclass can do, but the current example
is no longer useful and it's
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I'm talking about the example in Data Model, 3.3.3.6.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
Since Python 3.6, when PEP 520 was accepted, class attribute definition order
is preserved. That alone is sufficient to replace the example, but then 3.7
came with guaranteed dictionary insertion order. The metaclass example uses
OrderedDict, what may
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
Documentation of io.TextIOBase.read makes it look like the size parameter is
required. Attached PR fixes this.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
plistlib documentation says:
"The exact structure of the plist can be recovered by using
collections.OrderedDict (although the order of keys shouldn't be important in
plist files)"
This is no longer necessary, since dict objects preserve inser
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
Default argument of parameter dict_type of ConfigParser/RawConfigParser is
shown as "collections.OrderedDict", while it recently migrated to "dict".
PR fixes this, documents the change to dict, and fixes a versionchanged changed
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
Both Design and Programming sections have comments related to the non-ordered
dict implementation. PR removes those comments.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
The csv module says "Python’s dict objects are not ordered". PR fixes this ,
leaving a comment on the rationale.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
There are a couple of PEP references with no description in Simple/Compound
Statements.
Attached PR fixes this.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
There are some missing links in production lists (try, with, from __future__
import), and function and coroutines definitions production lists have too long
lines.
PR fixes this and does some polish on whitespace.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
This behavior has not changed in 11 years so I think it's safe to describe the
"else" clause along the rest of the "try" clause.
Attached PR fixes this.
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New submission from Andrés Delfino :
On bug 33673, I fixed python-docs-theme only getting installed if SPHINXBUILD
was not defined and Sphinx was not installed, which was an improvement, but not
the correct fix for python-docs-theme installation.
Now, python-docs-theme is getting installed
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