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'nothing but', but clearly it doesn't.
If we want to restore more stringent backward compatibility and allow trailing
text, it would be possible to
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Committed in r86414.
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Right, regardless of whether or not it is a bug in python, IMO it *is* a bug in
the python test suite, since we *expect* buildbots to be long running processes
and therefore they are going to get hit by this failure on OSX periodically
with a pretty high
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Well, the distinction is that, before the bug fix that caused your issue, the
'format_string' method would use a regex to extract the % specifiers from the
input string, and call 'format' to replace that % specifier with a properly
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Yes, simply saying "make it consistent" is a won't fix, because of backward
compatibility issues. Specific proposals for specific functions in a way that
deals with the backward compatibility issues should be opened as new issues.
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Vinay, your example with communicate only works because you removed the [:-1].
If you run your version against a debug build, the tests will fail.
I'm updating the patch with a version that works with both a non-debug and a
debug build, and ad
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Indeed, as I remember it there are people using commonprefix as a string
function in situations having nothing to do with os paths.
I'm changing the title to reflect the fact that this is really a feature
request for a new function. IMO it is a reaso
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Why do you consider this a bug in GZipFile rather than a bug in Django?
GZipFile is already careful to consider mode only when it is defined as an
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I'm -1 on your second case. That syntax is too magical, especially since a
test method can appear on more than one test case.
The additional pattern matching suggestion is more interesting, but it would be
necessary to implement that in unittest,
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This is a duplicate of issue 2571. If after reading that discussion you have
ideas about and interest in working on the feature request as suggested, you
may either comment on that one or open a new feature request, whichever seems
clearer to you.
Note
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and then where None currently appears in the logic of the
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Is this a duplicate of #1293741? That issue was closed as out of date, but I'm
not 100% convinced that was the correct closure. What do you think?
Does it still happen with 2.7? (2.6 is in security fix only mode.)
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Ronald hasn't replied yet and he's the most likely to be in a position to try
to reproduce it.
Even if you can't fix it, figuring out more about how that individual test is
arriving at the hang could be useful. If you've got the chops
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No, because that patch doesn't document the special inheritance rules for
__doc__ (which are uniquely special even among special methods). Now, exactly
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I agree with you, Pascal, but I think Nick is saying that that information is
not actually available. I don't fully understand why, but he knows vastly more
about Python internals than I do so I'll take his word for it.
It might be interest
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list of the mailing lists and subscribe to python-list). The bug tracker isn't
a place to get help, but you might also try searching for windows idle bugs,
since as I r
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Ronald, on a normal unix system if you add a user to a group, any existing
process/terminal session that runs 'id -G' will return the *old* group list.
Only a new process/terminal session will see the new group.
On OSX, 'id -G' return
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I agree with Stephen. The test in question is *not a valid test* on OSX.
Therefore on OSX it should be skipped.
If you can think of a way to test the actual behavior of getgroups on OSX,
that's even b
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Having just reread this issue more carefully, my understanding is that Ronald
had elected to make the results returned from os.getgroups match that returned
by "system tools" (by which I understood him to mean the 'id' command). Sinc
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other unix platform. This seems worthy of a documentation note, since anyone
trying to write portable code could get bit by this.
I don't really understand the relationship o
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And it's entirely possible (even likely) that what Stephen is seeing here is a
platform bug in OSX's quirky implementation of group management.
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IMO this follows logically from Python's self-consistent rules. I'm not
convinced that the amount of extra verbiage required to detail this particular
case would make the docs clearer, but you are welcome to suggest a wording for
us t
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Woops, I see you did suggest a wording. However, what you wrote is imprecise
and confused me when I first read it (I thought you meant that self.f() didn't
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Only because you don't *have* self. Which is why I said "imprecise" and not
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Perhaps.
You can help narrow this down by doing the following: In your program do a
'print msg.as_string()' and see if you see the ! problem there.
If not, try using several different SMTP servers to send your email. If the !
problem shows up w
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This sounds like a reasonable feature request. If you would like to propose a
patch against trunk (py3k, what will become 3.3), I will take a look at it.
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The traceback you point to seems to indicate the getheaders call is in your
code.
Can you provide a minimal test case that demonstrates the failure mode you are
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I agree that the docs for import_fresh_module are confusing. The code says
there are sanity checks in test_heapq and test_warnings, so that code could
presumably be used as a model for someone to develop a more complete
stand-alone test (I haven't l
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If a patch had been proposed it probably would have gotten in to 3.2. Maybe
someone (perhaps you?) will find the time before 3.2.1.
Someone has decided to work on the bz2 rewrite, by the way (issue 5863
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Yes, a clear definition of the minimum requirements for being wrapped by
TextIOWrapper sounds like a necessary thing to have (and I'd be inclined to
agree with your assertion, but I didn't work on the IO library :). It would be
best to open a new
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I don't think that new_child and parents are too specialized at all, indeed
they are essential to one of the primary use cases for the construct. I find
Django's push and pop much more intuitive than new_child and parents, however,
and would pr
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Yes, that's part of what I find more intuitive about it. I think of the
chainmap as a stack. Perhaps if I had a different application (I would use it
for either configuration or namespace management) I'd want a different API, but
for those two
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Your example got a little messed up.
>>> list(io.StringIO('print 1\n\x0cprint 2\n\n'))
['print 1\n', '\x0cprint 2\n', '\n']
>>> 'print 1\n\x0cprint 2\n\n'.splitlines(True)
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On the other hand, I believe io is documented as only recognizing /r and /n, so
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"newline controls how universal newlines works (it only applies to text mode).
It can be None, '', '\n', '\r', and '\r\n'..."
Whereas splitlines says:
"Return a list of the lines in the string, brea
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Read a little further:
Caution: within a method of C, an assignment like ``self.count = 42``
creates a new and unrelated instance named "count" in ``self``'s own dict.
That is, c.count refers to C.count right up until the point w
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Hmm. Rereading your message, is seems like you just didn't understand the
statement "c.count refers to C.count for any...". That is a statement about
how the language behaves. If there is not yet an instance variable 'count',
bu
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Ah, yes, you are correct. We must reject this, then, since 2.7 is now feature
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Yes, thanks for that.
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I just wound up doing a bit of research on this for other reasons. Piers
Lauder was the original author of the imaplib module, and he is (as far as I
can tell) currently maintaining an imaplib2 module that does support IDLE (but
not, I think, python3
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I'm -1 on this feature request. I think it is an unnecessary complication of
the API, especially since dirname corresponds to the unix shell 'dirname'
command, which doesn't have such a feature. If you need this feature in a
particula
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No, it isn't a design principle. My point was that unix hasn't found it useful
to add a level option to the dirname API.
I don't know that I personally have ever had occasion to peel off more than one
directory level without also wanting
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Can you construct a test case that demonstrates the corruption?
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We could, however, raise SkipTest if getpriority returns 19 or higher with a
message like "unable to reliably test setpriority at current nice level of NN".
My guess is that no system we support has a lower upper limit on nice. If
someon
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To be clear: raise SkipTest if prio is 19 or above *and* the increment fails.
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This would increase the overhead to no purpose, as far as I can see.
Ask or Jesse can reopen this if they think it is worth considering.
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Is there an IANA registration for this? Any other standards references to it
would be helpful, if it doesn't. See issue 10730 for an example of the
research that went in to the last mimetypes addition.
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Committed to py3k in r88730, 3.2 in r88731, and 2.7 in r88732.
I tested it by hand; mbox open failed before patch, succeeded (read-only) after
patch. I also changed two other cases of EACCES tests without testing them; I
don't see how it could hurt t
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Amazing. This issue is unreported for years, Victor fixes it in python3, and
*then* we get two bug reports for it against 2.7 in as many months :)
Anyway, this is a duplicate of issue 11098. If you have a real use case for
this, we can consider a backport
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Ah, I'm wrong, this has been reported earlier issue 707576.
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Ah, yes, splitpath is a function I've occasionally wanted. I also remember
being surprised that os.path.split didn't return such a list.
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Note that email.message works (and is the preferred spelling) since Python2.5.
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I plan to take a look at this and other email bugs during the Pycon sprints, if
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This patch isn't going to be accepted, so I'm closing the issue. Someone else
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I believe you are looking for mode 'r|'.
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I think perhaps the language in the language reference is a bit misleading.
The purpose of the raw string algorithm is that any characters in the string be
copied literally into the string object. That is, \" "escapes" the " not so
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do:
FooFoo.myfoo = foo
and foo refers to an unbound variable, that variable will be looked up in
bar.py's global name space.
If instead the 'def foo'
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If I'm remembering the discussion I read correctly, what the parser does is to
parse the a regular string and a raw string in exactly the same way, but in the
raw string case, it does not do the subsequent escape sequence replacement pass
on the p
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Well, I don't think we are going to add an abort method in order to write a
unit test, though it isn't completely out of the question.
However, I've now looked at the code and the other comments in the file, and it
is clear that great care is
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Gah. I always check to see if the patch uploaded before I delete my working
copy, but this time I didn't :( :(
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Well, it's still the case that the Python raw string syntax isn't going to
change to not escape the quotes, because that would break far too many existing
applications that depend on them being escaped. So a new string literal type
would seem
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Unfortunately we don't have enough history information to determine who wrote
the original _bencode function, although very likely it was Barry. As for the
test, that seems to have been written during the python3 translation to make
sure that the beh
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I think whatever change we make it should be backward compatible, even though
that is a bit annoying (especially given the current method name). So either a
parameter that selects the new behavior and defaults to the old, or a new
method that returns a
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Here is a proposed addition to the tutorial noting the problem with using raw
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I've opened issue 11479 with a proposed patch to the tutorial along the lines
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Well, the problem with both [:-1] and os.path.join is that they are
inappropriate for that section of the tutorial. I considered putting the
discussion later in the section so that I could use [:-1] (which hasn't been
introduced at that point), but it
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as a specification document, not a tutorial, so such a discussion does not
belong there. The library reference, which does contain platform-specific and
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guidance from haypo on using strace, I tracked the problem down to the fact
that the last directory in my path is a directory to which I don't have
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