[issue14320] set.add can return boolean indicate newly added item
Matt Joiner anacro...@gmail.com added the comment: Is there still some value to at least exposing this in the C API, per the precedents I mentioned? The patch also contains some adjustment to the set_add_entry/set_add_key abstraction dance, and some future proofing of PySet_Add return values that have merit on their own. -- ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14320 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14320] set.add can return boolean indicate newly added item
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[issue14320] set.add can return boolean indicate newly added item
New submission from Matt Joiner anacro...@gmail.com: set.add can return True to indicate a newly added item to the set, or False if the item was already present. The C function PySet_Add returns -1 on error, and 0 on success currently. This is extended to return 1 if the item is newly added, and 0 if it was already present. Precedents exist for PySet_Contains and PySet_Discard with the same semantics. There are only 3 calls that need to be patched in the entire core, these are included in the patch. The Python function set.add currently returns None. This is extended to return True if if the item is new to the set, and False otherwise. No object overhead is introduced as set.add is already currently executing Py_RETURN_NONE. Benchmarks indicate that set.add if the item isn't already present (returning True in the patched instance) reduces time by 5-9%. set.add if the item already exists increases time by 1-3%. I'm happy to put these down to effects of touching True and False instead of None on return from set.add. Patch and primitive performance test attached. -- components: Interpreter Core files: set-add-return-bool.patch keywords: patch messages: 155909 nosy: anacrolix, eric.araujo, gvanrossum, petri.lehtinen priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: set.add can return boolean indicate newly added item type: enhancement versions: Python 3.3 Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file24862/set-add-return-bool.patch ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14320 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14320] set.add can return boolean indicate newly added item
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[issue14320] set.add can return boolean indicate newly added item
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[issue14320] set.add can return boolean indicate newly added item
Raymond Hettinger raymond.hettin...@gmail.com added the comment: The part of the patch for PySet_Add() is a reasonable improvement to the C API if it doesn't conflict with Martin's stable ABI effort. The question of whether to change the Python API requires much more thought and I'll do some research and evaluate it more thoroughly over the next few weeks. Here are some of the considerations: * The set API currently has a near zero learning curve. We want to keep it that way. I'm teaching classes over the next few weeks and will try out the proposal on my students. * For collections that are commonplace in other languages, I look to their experience and design for inspiration. I'll look at was done in Smalltalk, Java, and ObjectiveC (with dynamic languages being a better model than statically compiled languages). In particular, I look to SETL when evaluating the utility of proposed changes to the set API (a little like looking to Matlab when thinking about designing a matrix API). * I'm concerned about the intuitiveness of the polarity of the proposed method and will try it out on other programmers to see whether if s.add(e): ... gets interpreted as true if e is already added or true if the adding a new item. The sense of set.add() is the opposite of set.__contains__, so we should be careful about making a API change with an ambiguous or error-prone interpretation. * As written, the proposal seems to be about efficiency rather than clarity. I'll run my own timings to see if they make any difference in typical applications of set.add(). In addition, I'll consult the Jython folks to see if it makes a difference in their world (I suspect it won't -- they use native Java objects and the Java JIT handily optimizes away the traditional calling pattern). Also, I'll consult the PyPy folks to see whether they can provide the optimization automatically rather than via an API change. * The suggested API also needs to be viewed in the context of what other Python APIs do. For the most part, the language has an aversion to combining tests and assignments. For example, Python doesn't do while (buf = f.read(bufsize)): ... eventhough that is traditionally supported in statically compiled languages. There is a precedent with dict.setdefault(); however, that is often regarded as one of the least beautiful parts of the API in Python's basic collection objects. * I also want to look back a previous discussions on this topic. The set API had a slow and careful evolution starting with a PEP, being exposed as a pure python module, and being coded in C as a builtin type. The API was built by Alex Martelli, Guido, Tim Peters, Greg Wilson and myself with substantial input from the community. None of the designers sought to include this functionality and it wasn't because it hadn't occurred to the them or that they were unaware of typical use cases. In addition, having set.add() return a boolean was discussed and rejected on python-dev (I've forgotten whether it was last year or the year before). Some care should be taken before dismissing the judgment of the designers who've previously spent time thinking this out. * Lastly, we need to look at code examples to see whether they read better or whether clarity is being lost in the name of efficiency. We should look at both sophisticated examples (i.e. sets are part of multistep logic) and minimal examples (i.e. where the set logic is dominant). Here is a before-and-after for the minimal case: def dedup_before(iterable): '''Order preserving elimination of duplicates''' seen = set() for i in iterable: if i not in seen: seen.add(i) yield i def dedup_after(iterable): '''Order preserving elimination of duplicates''' seen = Set() for i in iterable: if seen.add(i): yield i As you can see, there is more to API design than just spotting an opportunity to fold two steps into one. -- priority: normal - low type: enhancement - performance ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14320 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
[issue14320] set.add can return boolean indicate newly added item
Raymond Hettinger raymond.hettin...@gmail.com added the comment: Here's the results of the research so far: Guido gave it a -1: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2012-March/014510.html Smalltalk does not return a boolean: http://www.gnu.org/software/smalltalk/manual-base/gst-base.html#Set http://www.gnu.org/software/smalltalk/manual-base/gst-base.html#HashedCollection add: newObject Add newObject to the set, if and only if the set doesn't already contain an occurrence of it. Don't fail if a duplicate is found. Answer anObject Java does return a boolean for Interface SetE: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/ boolean add(E e) Adds the specified element to this set if it is not already present (optional operation) The SETL programming language does not return a boolean for the set plus one element operation. Instead, it returns the new set. http://setl.org/setl/doc/setl-lib.html#with Real-world examples of code using set.add in a way that benefits from the boolean result do not look promising. They match the pattern in the minimal example shown in the previous post, if e in previously_seen.add(e): ... This is problematic because it can easily be read as take this branch if e has been previously seen. I consulted with the PyPy developers and found that PyPy is already eliminating double lookups in common cases (it recognizes that the two lookups refer to the same entry and constant folds them). It cannot do this in the general case because of a potential semantic change (i.e. __eq__ can change the set during the initial lookup). Looking at Jython, it appears that both sets and dicts are based on Java's concurrent mapping object which doesn't support a boolean result directly but allows the JIT to optimize away the double lookup depending on the JIT and on whether the keys are of all the same type. One other note, in general the Python language makes no guarantees about atomicity (different implementations are free to make different implementation choices). For example, people relying on dict.setdefault() to be atomic were making an incorrect assumption (until recently). Our standing recommendation is to use locks unless your willing to rely on an implementation detail. In the case of set.add(), the race condition is harmless since set.add() is idempotent. I've shown sample code to some other developers and they had mixed guesses about the polarity of s.add(e), whether it would return True or False if the e was already in the set. A mixed result is not good and implies that the proposal is error prone. Also, when shown the dedup() code example, the devs didn't feel that the additional conciseness was worth it (one said, it just looks funny and causes me to do a double-take, but the original code could be read effortlessly). My timings on the dedup() code showed a 2% speedup on an iterable of strings with 80% duplicates and no improvement on an iterable of strings with 5% duplicates. The improvement was mostly erased if a seen_add = seen.add bound method was used inside the loop. This indicates that the double lookup is cheap compared to the cost of the dotted lookup in seen.add(e). That being said, objects with a custom __hash__ would benefit from calling __hash__ only once. Given that the results above were uniformly negative (except for the Java library), I'll skip trying this out on my students and am rejecting the suggested change to the pure Python API. We appreciate your suggestion but it isn't appropriate for inclusion in the language. Some of those concerns may also apply to the suggested change to the C API -- resolution: - rejected status: open - closed ___ Python tracker rep...@bugs.python.org http://bugs.python.org/issue14320 ___ ___ Python-bugs-list mailing list Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com
