[issue21484] More clarity needed about difference between x += e and x = x + e

2014-05-19 Thread Raymond Hettinger

Raymond Hettinger added the comment:

I agree with Josh.  If anything this belongs in a wiki entry, faq page, or 
stack overflow question.

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[issue21484] More clarity needed about difference between x += e and x = x + e

2014-05-16 Thread Terry J. Reedy

Changes by Terry J. Reedy tjre...@udel.edu:


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[issue21484] More clarity needed about difference between x += e and x = x + e

2014-05-13 Thread Feliks

Feliks added the comment:

Well, there is some anecdotal evidence. ;-)  I happen to have a lot of 
experience with a lot of programming languages, and I was bitten by this.

Let's put it like this: it is quite easy to overlook the significance of the 
sentence in question.  One looks at the paragraph, reads the stuff about 
evaluation, thinks of course and moves on.

If the sentence were in a new paragraph, and instead of with Also began with 
something like More importantly, then it might have drawn more attention.

After all, the drastic semantic difference between the two forms is quite 
unlike what one is used to from programming in, say, C.  I think it would be 
helpful if it were stressed a little bit more.

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[issue21484] More clarity needed about difference between x += e and x = x + e

2014-05-12 Thread Feliks

New submission from Feliks:

In Sec. 7.2.1 of the Language Reference, in the description of += we have: 
Also, when possible, the actual operation is performed in-place, meaning that 
rather than creating a new object and assigning that to the target, the old 
object is modified instead.
Although this is quite accurate, not all the consequences are immediately 
obvious, and sometimes they are quite serious.  I would suggest adding a note 
that points the reader's attention in particular to the phenomenon exhibited in 
the following example:
 def f(ls):  ls += [2]
... 
 def g(ls):  ls = ls + [2]
... 
 a = [1]
 g(a)
 a
[1]
 f(a)
 a
[1, 2]

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nosy: Kluzniak, docs@python
priority: normal
severity: normal
status: open
title: More clarity needed about difference between x += e and x = x + e
type: enhancement
versions: Python 3.4

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[issue21484] More clarity needed about difference between x += e and x = x + e

2014-05-12 Thread Josh Rosenberg

Josh Rosenberg added the comment:

It seems to me like that is one of the most obvious consequences. How is this 
not an immediately obvious consequence?

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