[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Gregory P. Smith]

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note that Bodo's own followup issue about the breaking change for python-iconv 
was filed as https://bugs.python.org/issue44723

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Gregory P. Smith]

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(note: this might not be the true cause of that issue; though it sounds 
potentially related - I haven't investigated far enough yet)

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Gregory P. Smith]

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https://bugs.python.org/issue46508 filed to track fixing the acceptance and use 
of garbage codec values regression that this caused.

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[STINNER Victor]

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> The codecs api feels extremely well-fitting for integrating iconv in python 
> and any alternative I can think of seems unsatisfactory.

This issue is now closed, would you mind to open a new issue?

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Bodo Graumann]

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Unfortunately this is not quite finished yet.

First of all, the change is bigger than what is documented: “Changed in version 
3.9: Hyphens and spaces are converted to underscore.“

In reality, now
| Normalization works as follows: all non-alphanumeric
| characters except the dot used for Python package names are
| collapsed and replaced with a single underscore, e.g. '  -;#'
| becomes '_'. Leading and trailing underscores are removed.”
Cf. 
[encodings/__init__.py](https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/bb3e0c240bc60fe08d332ff5955d54197f79751c/Lib/encodings/__init__.py#L47-L50)

Secondly, this change breaks lots of iconv codecs with the python-iconv 
binding. E.g. `ASCII//TRANSLIT` is now normalized to `ascii_translit`, which 
iconv does not understand. Codec names which use hyphens also break and iinm 
not all of them have aliases in iconv without hyphens.
Cf. [python-iconv #4](https://github.com/bodograumann/python-iconv/issues/4)

The codecs api feels extremely well-fitting for integrating iconv in python and 
any alternative I can think of seems unsatisfactory.
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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

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Thanks Inada-san for documenting the change in codecs.register() doc!

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Inada Naoki]

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New changeset cf9d65c5af7905d9e9945a297dbbf15d3bcace15 by Miss Islington (bot) 
in branch '3.9':
bpo-37751: Update `codecs.register()` doc. (GH-25643)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/cf9d65c5af7905d9e9945a297dbbf15d3bcace15


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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Inada Naoki]

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New changeset 5c84bb506aaca01f5f750116d8f7a41d41f8124d by Inada Naoki in branch 
'master':
bpo-37751: Update `codecs.register()` doc. (GH-25643)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/5c84bb506aaca01f5f750116d8f7a41d41f8124d


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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[STINNER Victor]

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New changeset 531c81038e28b6cfa0f9791467bf671c88c6f4c4 by Miss Islington (bot) 
in branch '3.9':
bpo-37751: Document codecs.lookup() change in What's New in Python 3.9 
(GH-23096) (GH-25659)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/531c81038e28b6cfa0f9791467bf671c88c6f4c4


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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Inada Naoki]

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[hai shi]

hai shi  added the comment:

Thanks Marc-Andre for your supplement of PEP-100.
Thanks Inada, victor for your review and merge.

After PR-23096 merged, I suggest to close this bpo.
If there have any other questions, we can reopen it again.

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[STINNER Victor]

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New changeset 32980fb669a6857276da18895fcc0cb6f6fbb544 by Hai Shi in branch 
'master':
bpo-37751: Document codecs.lookup() change in What's New in Python 3.9 
(GH-23096)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/32980fb669a6857276da18895fcc0cb6f6fbb544


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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Miro Hrončok]

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Marc-Andre Lemburg]

Marc-Andre Lemburg  added the comment:

On 23.04.2021 07:47, Inada Naoki wrote:
> 
> Inada Naoki  added the comment:
> 
> I think it is too late. Python 3.9 has been released already.  Reverting the 
> change is also breaking change.
> 
> PEP 100 says:
> "Search functions are expected to take one argument, the encoding name in all 
> lower case letters and with hyphens and spaces converted to underscores"
> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0100/#codecs-coder-decoders-lookup
> 
> But codecs.register() says:
> "Search functions are expected to take one argument, being the encoding name 
> in all lower case letters".
> 
> I don't know historical reason why two document are inconsistent.
> https://docs.python.org/3/library/codecs.html#codecs.register

I guess just an oversight on my part.

PEP 100 is certainly what I meant and implemented. I should have also
made it clear in PEP 100 that I meant lower case ASCII letters.

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Marc-Andre Lemburg]

Marc-Andre Lemburg  added the comment:

On 23.04.2021 03:37, akdor1154 wrote:
> 
> akdor1154  added the comment:
> 
> If I understand the target of this issue, this is a breaking change in python 
> 3.9 .
> 
> E.g. see https://github.com/SAP/PyHDB/issues/149
> 
> Ideally if we did not intend to break libraries then can this be fixed?
> Or if it is acceptable to have such a breaking change, can it be documented 
> as such? (maybe this is https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/23096 ? though 
> I would not interpret that as a breaking change at first glance)

This patch only restored the behavior we had before (and for many many
years). It's not breaking, it's in fact resolving a break which was
caused by earlier:

https://bugs.python.org/issue37751#msg349448

Please note that search functions determine how to map codec names
to codec implementations. The codec search function in the encodings
package uses one way to do this (and depends on how the package
is structured).

The approach taken by the encodings search function is listed here:
https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/master/Lib/encodings/__init__.py#L43

Other search functions can work in different ways.

Now, unfortunately, parts of this kind of normalization have also made
its way into the codecs module itself and into the Unicode
implementation and perhaps not always in a way which allows search
functions to use a different approach or which is consistent.

As I mentioned before, the safest way to go about this is to use
alnum only names for codecs, with the addition of underscores to
separate important parts.

The Python implementation should make sure that such names continue
to work when passed through any codec name normalization.

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Inada Naoki]

Inada Naoki  added the comment:

codecs.register() was added in this commit.
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/e2d67f98d1aade1059b2ff3278672b2ffbaf180e

And its docstring has been added in this commit.
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/0ae2981dec3de96a1f7d63b0535992cf1462ac92

Both commits doesn't describe why normalization was differ from PEP 100.

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Inada Naoki]

Inada Naoki  added the comment:

I think it is too late. Python 3.9 has been released already.  Reverting the 
change is also breaking change.

PEP 100 says:
"Search functions are expected to take one argument, the encoding name in all 
lower case letters and with hyphens and spaces converted to underscores"
https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0100/#codecs-coder-decoders-lookup

But codecs.register() says:
"Search functions are expected to take one argument, being the encoding name in 
all lower case letters".

I don't know historical reason why two document are inconsistent.
https://docs.python.org/3/library/codecs.html#codecs.register

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[hai shi]

hai shi  added the comment:

>Ideally if we did not intend to break libraries then can this be fixed?
Or if it is acceptable to have such a breaking change.

Hi, akdor1154, thanks for your notice. It was a bugfix in fact:) 
https://bugs.python.org/issue37751#msg349448

> maybe this is https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/23096 ? though I would 
> not interpret that as a breaking change at first glance

@victor ping :)

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

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akdor1154  added the comment:

If I understand the target of this issue, this is a breaking change in python 
3.9 .

E.g. see https://github.com/SAP/PyHDB/issues/149

Ideally if we did not intend to break libraries then can this be fixed?
Or if it is acceptable to have such a breaking change, can it be documented as 
such? (maybe this is https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/23096 ? though I 
would not interpret that as a breaking change at first glance)

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[hai shi]

Change by hai shi :


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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[STINNER Victor]

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I created bpo-39337: codecs.lookup() ignores non-ASCII characters, whereas 
encodings.normalize_encoding() copies them.

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[STINNER Victor]

STINNER Victor  added the comment:

> Please note that external codec packages should not rely on the semantics of 
> the Python stdlib encodings package's search function.

latexcodec does register a search function.

> It's good practice to always only use ASCII lower case chars and the 
> underscore for codec names.

latexcodec uses encoding names like "latex+ascii" and their search function 
used "+" as a separator.

Don't worry, I just fixed latexcodec, my fix is already merged upstream! I 
simply changed the search function to split on "_" if the name contains "_".

* 
https://github.com/mcmtroffaes/latexcodec/commit/a30ae2cf061d7369b1aaa8179ddd1b486974fdad
* https://github.com/mcmtroffaes/latexcodec/pull/76
* https://github.com/mcmtroffaes/latexcodec/issues/75

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Marc-Andre Lemburg]

Marc-Andre Lemburg  added the comment:

Just to clarify: the change in the C implementation was the breaking change. 
The patch just restores the previous behavior: 
https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/master/Lib/encodings/__init__.py#L43

Please note that external codec packages should not rely on the semantics of 
the Python stdlib encodings package's search function. They should really 
register their own search function: 
https://docs.python.org/3.9/library/codecs.html#codecs.register

It's good practice to always only use ASCII lower case chars and the underscore 
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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[STINNER Victor]

STINNER Victor  added the comment:

It seems quite easy to update latexcodec project to support Python 3.9. I 
proposed a solution there:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1789613#c6

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[STINNER Victor]

STINNER Victor  added the comment:

> The change is backwards incompatible and a backport would break things. See 
> for example how it breaks latexcodec:

I reopen the issue. I proposed PR 17997 to *document* the incompatible change 
in What's New in Python 3.8. IMO it's a deliberate change and it's correct.

I rely on Marc-Andre Lemburg who implemented codecs and encodings modules. He 
wrote: "Jordon is right. Conversion has to be to underscores, not hyphens.".

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Change by STINNER Victor :


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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Miro Hrončok]

Miro Hrončok  added the comment:

The change is backwards incompatible and a backport would break things. See for 
example how it breaks latexcodec:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1789613#c2

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Jordon.X]

Jordon.X <9651...@qq.com> added the comment:

Thanks vstinner. I also don't think it's necessary to backport to the old 
version. Close this issue is fine.

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[STINNER Victor]

STINNER Victor  added the comment:

Thanks for the fix Jordon Xu.

IMHO this change is not strictly a bugfix, but more like an enhancement. I 
close the issue.

If you consider that a backport to Python 3.7 and 3.8 is needed, please say so.

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[STINNER Victor]

STINNER Victor  added the comment:


New changeset 20f59fe1f7748ae899aceee4cb560e5e1f528a1f by Victor Stinner 
(Jordon Xu) in branch 'master':
bpo-37751: Fix codecs.lookup() normalization (GH-15092)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/20f59fe1f7748ae899aceee4cb560e5e1f528a1f


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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Marc-Andre Lemburg]

Marc-Andre Lemburg  added the comment:

Jordon is right. Conversion has to be to underscores, not hyphens. I guess this 
bug was introduced when the normalization function was converted to C.

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Jordon.X]

Jordon.X <9651...@qq.com> added the comment:

The design and code of the following four places need to be consistent,

No.1 https://github.com/python/peps/blob/master/pep-0100.txt#L292
No.2 https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/master/Python/codecs.c#L113
No.3 https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/master/Python/codecs.c#L53  
No.4 https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/master/Python/codecs.c#74

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[hai shi]

hai shi  added the comment:

Hm, there is a bit misleading between 
desc(https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/master/Python/codecs.c#L53) and the 
code (https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/master/Python/codecs.c#L74).

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

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Change by Jordon.X <9651...@qq.com>:


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and I will try to fix it.

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[issue37751] In codecs, function 'normalizestring' should convert both spaces and hyphens to underscores.

[Jordon.X]

New submission from Jordon.X <9651...@qq.com>:

In codecs.c,  when _PyCodec_Lookup() call normalizestring(), both spaces and 
hyphens should be convered to underscores. Not convert spaces to hyphens.

see:https://github.com/python/peps/blob/master/pep-0100.txt, Codecs 
(Coder/Decoders) Lookup

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