[issue40733] Make IDLE doc more visible, mention in main python docs page

[Ama Aje My Fren]

Ama Aje My Fren  added the comment:

> I think I used duckduckgo to find the docs.

Ok,

I just checked and when one has scrolled down the search is not seen.
In most browsers web search is easier than searching on the docs site.

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[issue40733] Make IDLE doc more visible, mention in main python docs page

[Terry J. Reedy]

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Paul, the doc has the following line
 -s run $IDLESTARTUP or $PYTHONSTARTUP before anything else

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[issue40733] Make IDLE doc more visible, mention in main python docs page

[Terry J. Reedy]

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Ama, when responding by email, please leave out the full quote of the message 
you are responding to.  (A snippet of at most a few lines is ok.) Once posted, 
it becomes redundant noise.

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[issue40733] Make IDLE doc more visible, mention in main python docs page

[paul rubin]

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I think I used duckduckgo to find the docs.  They don't change much between 
versions and I was trying to find how to do a specific thing.  My installation 
has the docs included but it didn't explain how to do what I wanted, so I had 
hoped there was a more complete doc on docs.python.org.  Unfortunately it 
turned out to be the same doc.  The functionality I wanted (to put a startup 
script in .idlerc) seems to not exist though.  I'll research workarounds a bit 
further and possibly open an RFE if people think that sounds right.

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[issue40733] Make IDLE doc more visible, mention in main python docs page

[Ama Aje My Fren]

Ama Aje My Fren  added the comment:

>
> I could also add label with the online url and date above the text.
> [https://docs.python.org/3.x/library/idle.html as of ]
>
> Maybe this is a bit messy?

I may be wrong but I suspect that most people on docs.python.org use none
dev versions. For us, most likely, we keep to the releases (maybe behind
the very current version, but unlikely that we are compiling in the latest
bug fixes, or (and here I could be absolutely wrong) pulling from a
distribution that is). (If they are compiling their own Python with bug
fixes, is it fair to assume they are also preparing their own
documentation? Not sure.)

Say I am using Python 3.7.5, the documentation, being for Python 3.7.7, is
(hopefully?) sufficient for me to know it is not the same as the IDLE I am
using - the addition of the date may help emphasize the point, but chances
are I don't track the release schedule/know when my IDLE was packaged for
me and so it may only further confuse me. I suggest that if the page has
the release version don't also provide the "as of " .
Now if Documentation for all patchlevels were available ... but I suspect
that may not be possible.

Thinking about it though Paul said:

So I looked for it on the main docs page, docs.python.org, and didn't
find it there.  I ended up finding it by web search.
>
>
 From 3.5 there is a search on the top right of docs.python.org: @phr is
that what you meant by web search or did you use google/bing/etc? Most
likely many people use the search to find what they want from
docs.python.org ... or it is hardly used.

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:14 AM Terry J. Reedy 
wrote:

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> Terry J. Reedy  added the comment:
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> I agree that finding the online doc is slight pain.  It is not listed in
> the Modules index because idlelib, not IDLE, is the stdlib module, and does
> not have a doc page.  I may add one or, if possible, make the page serve as
> one, as part of this issue.  'IDLE' *is* in the Index, and the first link
> is the correct one.
>
> I don't control and would not unilaterally change the main page.  I am
> hesitant because I expect that there are people who would think it unfair
> or deceptive to especially promote IDLE this way versus other stdlib
> packages and non-stdlib IDEs and editors.  I might subscribe to and post on
> python-ideas to see what other users think.
>
> Help => IDLE Help displays an offline copy of idle.html as of the release
> date in a tktinker text window.  Have you noticed that?  Would "IDLE doc"
> be clearer?
>
> I could also add label with the online url and date above the text.
> [https://docs.python.org/3.x/library/idle.html as of ]
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> title: mention IDLE in main python docs page -> Make IDLE doc more
> visible, mention in main python docs page
> versions: +Python 3.10, Python 3.7, Python 3.8, Python 3.9
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[issue40733] Make IDLE doc more visible, mention in main python docs page

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy  added the comment:

I agree that finding the online doc is slight pain.  It is not listed in the 
Modules index because idlelib, not IDLE, is the stdlib module, and does not 
have a doc page.  I may add one or, if possible, make the page serve as one, as 
part of this issue.  'IDLE' *is* in the Index, and the first link is the 
correct one.

I don't control and would not unilaterally change the main page.  I am hesitant 
because I expect that there are people who would think it unfair or deceptive 
to especially promote IDLE this way versus other stdlib packages and non-stdlib 
IDEs and editors.  I might subscribe to and post on python-ideas to see what 
other users think.

Help => IDLE Help displays an offline copy of idle.html as of the release date 
in a tktinker text window.  Have you noticed that?  Would "IDLE doc" be clearer?

I could also add label with the online url and date above the text.
[https://docs.python.org/3.x/library/idle.html as of ]

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title: mention IDLE in main python docs page -> Make IDLE doc more visible, 
mention in main python docs page
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