[issue45296] IDLE: Better document close and exit.

[Terry J. Reedy]

Change by Terry J. Reedy :


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[issue45296] IDLE: Better document close and exit.

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy  added the comment:


New changeset 5acaad0b3033fde6f21de6ac73681cd6cf64b1f7 by Miss Islington (bot) 
in branch '3.10':
bpo-45296: Clarify close, quit, and exit in IDLE (GH-30936) (GH-30944)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/5acaad0b3033fde6f21de6ac73681cd6cf64b1f7


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[issue45296] IDLE: Better document close and exit.

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New changeset bc7d96ee332c8a575a453ec81367f2ad499f57d3 by Miss Islington (bot) 
in branch '3.9':
bpo-45296: Clarify close, quit, and exit in IDLE (GH-30936)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/bc7d96ee332c8a575a453ec81367f2ad499f57d3


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[issue45296] IDLE: Better document close and exit.

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Change by miss-islington :


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[issue45296] IDLE: Better document close and exit.

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy  added the comment:


New changeset fcde0bc10ddd836b62d0a8e893d80b8c55e0ba3f by Terry Jan Reedy in 
branch 'main':
bpo-45296: Clarify close, quit, and exit in IDLE (GH-30936)
https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/fcde0bc10ddd836b62d0a8e893d80b8c55e0ba3f


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[issue45296] IDLE: Better document close and exit.

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Change by miss-islington :


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[issue45296] IDLE: Better document close and exit.

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Change by Terry J. Reedy :


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[issue45296] IDLE: Better document close and exit.

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy  added the comment:

Unfortunately, I have discovered, the new wording is better but only correct 
for IDLE when Shell is the only window.

On the file menu, I want to:
A. Change 'Close' to 'Close Window', so it is clear that 'Close'/Alt-F4 only 
close the window and not IDLE.
B. Also change 'Exit' to 'Exit IDLE' or maybe 'Quit IDLE', so it is clearer 
that this and Ctrl-Q close all windows and exit IDLE.  Ctrl-Q is the default 
binding for 'close-all-windows', which users can configure.

Also, add a little in the doc entry for these choices.  Or maybe open a 
separate issue to add the option name for all menu entry hotkeys that can be 
rebound.  I don't know how many that is.

For a single window app, like the REPL, when not running in Command Prompt or 
the equivalent, closing the window and exiting the application are the same 
thing.  The same is true when Shell is the only IDLE window.  Closing Shell 
exits IDLE.  After submitting the PR, I discovered that exit() and quit() only 
close Shell but do not exit IDLE if there are other windows.  So the message 
should really be something like the following:

To close Shell, enter 'exit()', 'quit()', or 'Alt-F4'.
To exit IDLE, hit 'Ctrl-Q', hotkey for 'File >= Exit IDLE'.

This requires replacing the __repr__ method.  Someone who rebinds either hotkey 
option, which I expect is rare, will have to remember that they did so if that 
happen to enter either 'exit' or 'quit' without parens.
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The question of IDLE on Windows and <^Z Return> was discussed some years ago on 
an issue a vaguely remember but could not find.  It was decided to either not 
add it or maybe to remove it, and key cross-platform ^D for closing Shell (and 
only Shell as it does nothing in Editor).  I don't want to change that decision.

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nosy:  -miss-islington
resolution: fixed -> 
stage: resolved -> 
status: closed -> open
title: IDLE: Change Ctrl-Z note in exit/quit repr on Windows -> IDLE: Better 
document close and exit.

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