[issue47214] builtin_function_or_method is also either a function or a method

[Ravi Jain]

Ravi Jain  added the comment:

yes, I think `inspect.isroutine` does the required functionality.
sorry, I did not know about it, and could not think of the word `routine` when 
checking for functions.

--

___
Python tracker 

___
___
Python-bugs-list mailing list
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com

[issue47214] builtin_function_or_method is also either a function or a method

[Steven D'Aprano]

Steven D'Aprano  added the comment:

Perhaps what you want is inspect.isroutine ?

https://docs.python.org/3/library/inspect.html#inspect.isroutine

I agree with Dennis that the isfunction test is for **Python** (def or lambda) 
functions, not builtins. The docstring for the inspect.is* methods make 
promises about what attributes an object will have:

def isbuiltin(object):
"""Return true if the object is a built-in function or method.
Built-in functions and methods provide these attributes:
__doc__ documentation string
__name__original name of this function or method
__self__instance to which a method is bound, or None"""


def isfunction(object):
"""Return true if the object is a user-defined function.
Function objects provide these attributes:
__doc__ documentation string
__name__name with which this function was defined
__code__code object containing compiled function bytecode
__defaults__tuple of any default values for arguments
__globals__ global namespace in which this function was defined
__annotations__ dict of parameter annotations
__kwdefaults__  dict of keyword only parameters with defaults"""


def (and lambda) functions have a different API from builtin_function_or_method 
objects. They should be kept separate.

--
nosy: +steven.daprano

___
Python tracker 

___
___
Python-bugs-list mailing list
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com

[issue47214] builtin_function_or_method is also either a function or a method

[Ravi Jain]

Ravi Jain  added the comment:

but `callable` returns `True` for classes with `__call__` also, it does not 
check whether the argument passed to it is a function or not.

I want some way to return `True` for both builtin functions and Python 
functions, but not for classes.

And similarly, some way to return `True` for both builtin methods and Python 
methods.

Should the documentation for `inspect.isfunction` include, `this does not 
include builtin functions.`, and similarly for `inspect.ismethod`?

Should I create a PR to add these two sentences to the documentation?

--

___
Python tracker 

___
___
Python-bugs-list mailing list
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com

[issue47214] builtin_function_or_method is also either a function or a method

[Dennis Sweeney]

Dennis Sweeney  added the comment:

https://docs.python.org/3/library/inspect.html#inspect.isfunction says this:

"""
inspect.isfunction(object)
Return True if the object is a Python function, which includes functions 
created by a lambda expression.
"""

Emphasis on the "Python function", as in, something written in Python using a 
`def` statement or a `lambda` expression. If isfunction returns True, you can 
presumably access function-specific implementation details like the functions's 
f.__code__ attribute. If you need to check for "anything that works as a 
function", you can use `callable()`:

>>> callable(lambda: 2)
True
>>> callable(abs)
True
>>> def f(x): return x
>>> callable(f)
True

I'm not an expert on the inspect module, but I'm guessing it's not worth 
breaking backwards-compatibility to change this behavior.

Would extra emphasis in the documentation have been helpful for you, or were 
you mostly attempting to rely on the function's name?

--
nosy: +Dennis Sweeney

___
Python tracker 

___
___
Python-bugs-list mailing list
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com

[issue47214] builtin_function_or_method is also either a function or a method

[Ravi Jain]

New submission from Ravi Jain :

the.
```
import inspect
inspect.isfunction
```
does not consider a
```
builtin_function_or_method
```
as a function.
for example,
```
inspect.isfunction(abs)
```
gives,
```
False
```
in the background even the builtin `abs` is a function, so shouldn't it return 
True?

the way this check is implemented is by matching the type of a 
builtin_function_or_method with,
```
type(len)
```
and since, `type(len)` is `builtin_function_or_method`, so, the 
`inspect.isfunction` check gives False.
But in my opinion, it should return True, even for builtin functions or methods.

--
components: Build
messages: 416664
nosy: apostofes
priority: normal
severity: normal
status: open
title: builtin_function_or_method is also either a function or a method
versions: Python 3.11

___
Python tracker 

___
___
Python-bugs-list mailing list
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-bugs-list/archive%40mail-archive.com