[issue13319] IDLE: Menu accelerator conflict between Format and Options

[Cheryl Sabella]

Cheryl Sabella  added the comment:

Maybe a solution for this would be to change the name of the 'Format' menu to 
something like 'Source'?  Interestingly, the Format menu is available on 
outwin, even though that is output-only, so I guess 'Source' would only make 
sense if the other uses of an EditorWindow remove it from the menu.

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[issue13319] IDLE: Menu accelerator conflict between Format and Options

[Ned Deily]

Ned Deily added the comment:

I believe it is the case that none of these proposed changes would have any 
effect on Aqua (native, non-X11) OS X Tk variants (Cocoa or Carbon).  Unlike on 
Windows and X11, standard OS X menus in conforming GUI apps do not have 
underline letter shortcuts.  (OS X provides an application-independent way to 
navigate menu hierarchies in all apps using the keyboard; the link below has 
more details.)  OS X apps, of course, do have modifier key accelerators but, in 
almost all cases, the actual key combinations are different from those on other 
platforms, as defined in the default sets in config-keys.def.

Mark Roseman's TkDocs web site tutorial (and book) has a good overview of Tk 
menus and the most significant platform differences.

http://www.tkdocs.com/tutorial/menus.html

https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Accessibility/Conceptual/AccessibilityMacOSX/OSXAXKeyboardShortcuts/OSXAXKeyboardShortcuts.html

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[issue13319] IDLE: Menu accelerator conflict between Format and Options

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy added the comment:

Currently, in 3.4 Win 7, tk 8.6, Alt O enter (or Alt O O O enter, etc) is 
required to get the Format menu to drop down. Following that with Alt O does 
select comment out.  Alt O O enter (with or without holding down Alt) opens 
the Option menu.  Having to hit enter makes both possible, but it was not 
obvious to me.  I only tried hitting enter 'in desperation'.  So I would like 
to remove the conflict.

As I said before, I really want Alt-O to open the always present Options menu.  
Alt-I is completely unmnemonic to me.  The 'i' in 'option' is silent in that it 
mutates 't' to 'sh' but is not pronounced in itself as a vowel.  I don't 
consider a couple of other editors to be determinative for Idle.  Notepad++ has 
11 menu items and not all even have an Alt hotkey.  To open without a mouse, 
one must hit Alt and then move with - and - arrow keys.

I would like to change the hot key for toggle-tabs to Alt-7.  We could then 
use Alt-T (Meta-T) for Forma_t.  Alt 5  6 are already used for Tabify and 
Untabify, so using the next key for tab toggle makes sense to me.  (And if we 
ever need Alt-U for something else, I would change the hot key for the probably 
seldom used 'Indent width' to Alt-8). 

Ned, do you have any opinion on this issue?

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[issue13319] IDLE: Menu accelerator conflict between Format and Options

[Terry J. Reedy]

Changes by Terry J. Reedy tjre...@udel.edu:


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[issue13319] IDLE: Menu accelerator conflict between Format and Options

[Terry J. Reedy]

Changes by Terry J. Reedy tjre...@udel.edu:


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[issue13319] IDLE: Menu accelerator conflict between Format and Options

[Roger Serwy]

Roger Serwy roger.se...@gmail.com added the comment:

Attached is a patch to have Alt-i bring up the Options menu.

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[issue13319] IDLE: Menu accelerator conflict between Format and Options

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy tjre...@udel.edu added the comment:

The conflict is not fatal for keyboard users because repeating alt-o switches 
between Format and Options. To resolve the conflict, I would prefer to keep 
alt-o for Options, both because it is the first letter of Options and because 
Options appears on Shell windows. The only non-conflicting character in Format 
is 'a'.

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[issue13319] IDLE: Menu accelerator conflict between Format and Options

[Roger Serwy]

Roger Serwy roger.se...@gmail.com added the comment:

Which platform are you running? 

On Linux (Ubuntu 11.10, Python 3.2, Tk 8.5), Alt-o does not toggle between 
Format and Options. The first Alt-o selects Format and the second Alt-o 
selects Comment Out Region. 

Changing Format's accelerator to a would be inconsistent with other 
applications that use o, such as LibreOffice and Abiword. Consistency aside, 
changing Format to a would be the simplest fix.

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[issue13319] IDLE: Menu accelerator conflict between Format and Options

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy tjre...@udel.edu added the comment:

Py 3.2 on Win 7. 'Comment out region' is Alt-3 here.

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[issue13319] IDLE: Menu accelerator conflict between Format and Options

[Roger Serwy]

Roger Serwy roger.se...@gmail.com added the comment:

Alt-3 is comment-out region on Linux as well. The problem is that o is an 
accelerator for Comment Out Region under the Format menu. Pressing Alt-o and 
o under Linux is equivalent to Alt-o and Alt-o.

This toggling between Format and Options may be a Tk bug under Linux since it 
works on Win7.

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[issue13319] IDLE: Menu accelerator conflict between Format and Options

[Roger Serwy]

New submission from Roger Serwy roger.se...@gmail.com:

This is a minor interface issue. The accelerator for opening the _Options menu 
in an editor conflicts with the F_ormat menu. 

I suggest changing the Options accelerator to i since Alt-t is for toggling 
tabs. (Perhaps the accelerator for toggle-tabs should be dropped, so that 
the options menu could be accessed by Alt-t.)

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title: IDLE: Menu accelerator conflict between Format and Options
type: feature request
versions: Python 2.6, Python 2.7, Python 3.1, Python 3.2, Python 3.3, Python 3.4

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