[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Steve Dower]

Steve Dower added the comment:

Interestingly, when we were reviewing the icons before contributing them, the 
rocket was flagged as a potential problem.

We made some tweaks to make it look more like a space shuttle, which we believe 
most accurately captures the metaphor of "launch" in the most cultures without 
causing offence :)

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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Eryk Sun]

Eryk Sun added the comment:

The new launcher icon still has a rocket on it, which I especially like because 
it's easily distinguished when using the GUI to associate .py[w] scripts. 
However, it's not the icon used for .py[w] files, so it's rarely seen.

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resolution:  -> duplicate
stage: patch review -> resolved
status: open -> closed
superseder:  -> Add pyd icon for 3.6

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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Nils Lindemann]

Nils Lindemann added the comment:

Two years later: To the dude who removed the rocket from the icons in 3.6: I 
LOVE YOU!

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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Nils Lindemann]

Nils Lindemann added the comment:

i see now what you mean. I have this icon too (py 3.5.0 idle icon.png). 
Something is misconfigured with the icons in the python 3.5.0 windows 
installer, also python files in explorer have no icons.

Thanks for your hint with the python ideas list, i will post a message there.

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Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file40894/py 3.5.0 idle icon.png

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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Nils Lindemann]

Nils Lindemann added the comment:

it seems i have still not explained my issue in an understandable way: the 
three first icons in the file list in the screenshot, aka the icons which are 
used in eg py 3.2, these icons are cool.

the icon i do not like, is the launcher icon which is used in eg py 3.5 and 
which shows up in the windows task bar when i run python scripts which open a 
commandline. This is the last icon in the file list in the screenshot.

Im fine with everything else, i always liked the original icons, just the new 
launcher icon is terrible in my opinion :-(

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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy added the comment:

I am the current IDLE maintainer, so that is my interest.  I am not responsible 
for the launcher icon and don't care about it either way.  The second one is 
the one used for IDLE, but Windows has a different format for icons and the 
little one on the title bar does not look as in the screenshot.  It looks 
terrible, worse than the launcher icon.  I do not really know why but I want to 
fix it.

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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Terry J. Reedy]

Terry J. Reedy added the comment:

Rockets are also used to launch communication satellites and scientific 
research missions.

On Windows, the IDLE icon has the double snake on a white page, while the 
python icon is the snakes on a dark console window.  They are already well 
differentiated.

However, the blue and yellow colors of the 16-bit version get darkened when 
placed in the top title bar of windows, and the snake shape a bit distorted. 
(idlelib/icons contains icons for both Windows and *nix.) They are even worse 
on Win10, so I have been thinking about redoing it. I might use your IDLE 
version to help with a redesign.

If you want the .exe icon changed, try to get support on python-list or 
python-ideas lists.

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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Paul Moore]

Paul Moore added the comment:

It's a very personal choice, but I prefer the current icons. I'm -1 on this 
change.

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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Nils Lindemann]

Nils Lindemann added the comment:

The icons are not intended to be used instead of the three default icons, 
please dont, these are just great.

I am just targeting the current launcher symbol:

* It contains a symbol of an instrument which can be used to kill people.
* in the 16x16 icon it is not clear at all what this is. it just looks like a 
smudge on the icon. When i first saw it i touched it to see if the smudge is on 
my screen.
* the symbol indicates that one is running the launcher. But thats not true, he 
is running the process that was launched by the launcher. So if this symbol is 
used for the exe which is the launcher, ok, but using it for all processes 
started with it is wrong in my opinion.

The icons for idle are just suggestions, using an alternative icon for idele, 
as i said, may be helpful to separate idle from command lines.

The alternative icons for the launcher are just thought as source of 
inspiration. Actually i think launched processes (except maybe idle) should use 
the standard py exe icon!

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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Nils Lindemann]

Nils Lindemann added the comment:

let me reformulate it: my main intention is to get rid of the launcher symbol, 
or at least have a nicer looking symbol, i dont care for the idle symbol.

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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Paul Moore]

Changes by Paul Moore :


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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Nils Lindemann]

Nils Lindemann added the comment:

Here is also a zip containing the icons.

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Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file40818/icons.zip

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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Tim Golden]

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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Nils Lindemann]

Nils Lindemann added the comment:

Hm actually an alternative icon for idle can be useful to separate it from 
command lines in the task bar. But a special launcher symbol is not necessary 
in my opinion.

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[issue25444] Py Launch Icon

[Nils Lindemann]

New submission from Nils Lindemann:

Hi,

See attached screen for a list of alternative 16x16 icon suggestions to the 
current launcher symbol, which i dont like (Dudes, rockets are used in wars!). 
I copied them a few times to show how they look in groups. (while i was at it i 
also created an icon for idle, see the idle window in the Screenshot).

Actually i wonder why it is necessary at all to use more than the three default 
icons, but if, then my icons are better. Hopefully i can inspire the designer 
to do a redesign of the luncher icon :-)

Nils

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components: IDLE, Installation, Windows
files: (py icons, idle) screenshot.png
messages: 253203
nosy: Nils-Hero, paul.moore, steve.dower, tim.golden, zach.ware
priority: normal
severity: normal
status: open
title: Py Launch Icon
type: enhancement
versions: Python 3.5, Python 3.6
Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file40815/(py icons, idle) screenshot.png

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