On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:21 AM, John Benediktsson wrote:
> Out of curiousity, I googled Anatoly and python-ideas and this thread[1]
> seems a useful example. His suggestions seem intended to help, he provided
> some code examples, and made only a handful of posts in support of his idea
> (receiv
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:21 PM, John Benediktsson wrote:
>> IMO he has a negative effect on the Python community. When he asks a
>> question, he doesn't try to understand how Python is designed and let people
>> think that the Python design just sucks (which is wrong, Python design is
>> great! Py
>
> IMO he has a negative effect on the Python community. When he asks a
> question, he doesn't try to understand how Python is designed and let
> people think that the Python design just sucks (which is wrong, Python
> design is great! Python is the best language!).
>
Out of curiousity, I googled
> How do you perceive his contributions in general?
He is really annoying. He is flooding python-ideas and python-dev lists
with emails without trying to understand answers. He didn't understand that
the Python community is not working for him.
IMO he has a negative effect on the Python community
Zitat von "M.-A. Lemburg" :
Cory's point is a good one and, at least in my experience, often works
wonders.
Call him on the phone or invite him to a conference. He's based
in Minsk, Belarus, AFAIK.
Guido tried to arrange a peace treaty between him and me at some pycon,
and I really tried for
>From his response to me he seems to be unaware that there is a problem...
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Andrew Svetlov wrote:
> I've sent email to Anatoly in Russian describing current situation.
> CC'ed Eli Bendersky and Łukasz Langa as humans who understand Russian
> well enough to be witn
Let's wait a bit.
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> From his response to me he seems to be unaware that there is a problem...
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Andrew Svetlov
> wrote:
>>
>> I've sent email to Anatoly in Russian describing current situation.
>> CC'ed
I've sent email to Anatoly in Russian describing current situation.
CC'ed Eli Bendersky and Łukasz Langa as humans who understand Russian
well enough to be witness for my words.
I've call Anatoly to stop disruptive activities and concentrate on
productive ones.
I hope I has been benevolent enough
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> > imagine it must be pretty lonely being the only geek with deep Python
> > knowledge and interest in Minsk.
>
> I don't want to distract from your point, but I'm not sure the
> und
I'm with Dirkjan. Personally I know several pythonistas living in Minsk.
Not so many Python Developers as Kiev has, but Minsk is not black
hole, trust me.
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>> imagine it must be pretty
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:08 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
> If losing him was the only consequence this would be pretty much a
> no-brainer. However, it is likely the consequences of a general ban
> would be more widespread than that (negative publicity, etc).
Not sure I agree with that. As a parti
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> imagine it must be pretty lonely being the only geek with deep Python
> knowledge and interest in Minsk.
I don't want to distract from your point, but I'm not sure the
underlying assumption is warranted here. I happen to have met a few
pre
On Nov 07, 2012, at 03:05 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
>If nothing else, it seems like the time has come to get the ball
>rolling on this, so we at least have a plan for how to do this kind of
>thing?
I don't think the issue has really ever come to such a head before. Let's get
postmaster@ involve
> It's pretty clear that he's not a net value to Python development. But
> perhaps his attempts at contributing (no matter how clumsy) have value for
> him? I imagine it must be pretty lonely being the only geek with deep
> Python knowledge and interest in Minsk. I realize he's making it hard to
>
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>> >
>> > All in all, is anyone of the opinion that losing him as a community
>> > member
>> > is worse than keeping him around?
>>
>> No.
>
>
> It's pretty clear that he's
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > All in all, is anyone of the opinion that losing him as a community
> member
> > is worse than keeping him around?
>
> No.
>
It's pretty clear that he's not a net value to Python development. But
perhaps his attempts at contri
[...]
>
> All in all, is anyone of the opinion that losing him as a community member
> is worse than keeping him around?
No.
Regards
Antoine.
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On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Chris Jerdonek
wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:08 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:26:15 +0100, wrote:
>>> What can we do? Apart from the obligatory joke of nudging him gently
>>> towards Ruby, I think calling his behavior out is a good idea
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:08 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:26:15 +0100, wrote:
>> What can we do? Apart from the obligatory joke of nudging him gently
>> towards Ruby, I think calling his behavior out is a good idea. Cory
>> Doctorow also thinks that "many trolls are perfectl
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:08 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:26:15 +0100, wrote:
>> All in all, is anyone of the opinion that losing him as a community
>> member is worse than keeping him around?
>
> If losing him was the only consequence this would be pretty much a
> no-brain
I sent Anatoly a note and suggested that we talk on Skype. We'll see what
happens.
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:08 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:26:15 +0100, wrote:
> > What can we do? Apart from the obligatory joke of nudging him gently
> > towards Ruby, I think calling his b
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:26:15 +0100, wrote:
> What can we do? Apart from the obligatory joke of nudging him gently
> towards Ruby, I think calling his behavior out is a good idea. Cory
> Doctorow also thinks that "many trolls are perfectly nice in real life
> -- sometimes, just calling them on the
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:
>> If that fails, banning him would show that we care about the quality of
>> communication and technical prowess is no excuse for abusive behavior.
>
> The problem is how do we do that? Do the owners of various systems take it
> upon themselves
On 07.11.2012 14:26, Łukasz Langa wrote:
> What can we do? Apart from the obligatory joke of nudging him gently towards
> Ruby, I think calling his behavior out is a good idea. Cory Doctorow also
> thinks that "many trolls are perfectly nice in real life -- sometimes, just
> calling them on the
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
> Wiadomość napisana przez Martin v. Löwis w dniu 7
> lis 2012, o godz. 13:06:
>
> Am 07.11.12 09:45, schrieb Łukasz Langa:
>
> I'd like to raise a concern that Anatoly's actions are disruptive and
> largely unhelpful. His passive-agressive wri
Wiadomość napisana przez Martin v. Löwis w dniu 7 lis
2012, o godz. 13:06:
> Am 07.11.12 09:45, schrieb Łukasz Langa:
>> I'd like to raise a concern that Anatoly's actions are disruptive and
>> largely unhelpful. His passive-agressive writing style is well known but
>> it seems this no longer sa
Am 07.11.12 09:45, schrieb Łukasz Langa:
I'd like to raise a concern that Anatoly's actions are disruptive and
largely unhelpful. His passive-agressive writing style is well known but
it seems this no longer satisfies him. Today, without consulting anyone
he edited our Wiki guidelines and removed
On 7 Nov, 2012, at 9:45, Łukasz Langa wrote:
> I'd like to raise a concern that Anatoly's actions are disruptive and largely
> unhelpful. His passive-agressive writing style is well known but it seems
> this no longer satisfies him. Today, without consulting anyone he edited our
> Wiki guidel
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
> I'd like to raise a concern that Anatoly's actions are disruptive and
> largely unhelpful. His passive-agressive writing style is well known but it
> seems this no longer satisfies him. Today, without consulting anyone he
> edited our Wiki guid
On 07.11.2012 09:45, Łukasz Langa wrote:
> I'd like to raise a concern that Anatoly's actions are disruptive and largely
> unhelpful. His passive-agressive writing style is well known but it seems
> this no longer satisfies him. Today, without consulting anyone he edited our
> Wiki guidelines an
I'd like to raise a concern that Anatoly's actions are disruptive and largely
unhelpful. His passive-agressive writing style is well known but it seems this
no longer satisfies him. Today, without consulting anyone he edited our Wiki
guidelines and removed the "Do not remove guidelines you do no
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