This is a continuation of my answer to Christian
On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
Dnia 25 gru 2012 o godz. 13:37 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com
napisał(a):
I'm well and truly to the point of caring far more about the
feelings of people who get frustrated trying to deal with his
FWIW, I agree 100% with Terry here. I'm certainly annoyed by many of Anatoly's
contributions, and find myself extremely unwilling to do anything about his
perceived issues, but to exclude a community member publicly (!) from all (!)
python.org resources is going too far IMO. Individual policy
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
This is a continuation of my answer to Christian
On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
Dnia 25 gru 2012 o godz. 13:37 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com
napisał(a):
I'm well and truly to the point of caring far more
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
FWIW, I agree 100% with Terry here. I'm certainly annoyed by many of
Anatoly's
contributions, and find myself extremely unwilling to do anything about his
perceived issues, but to exclude a community member publicly (!)
I've asked Serhiy about commit access today by email.
He want to be committer.
He agree with getting review for any nontrivial patch before commit
and will follow our rules (as he does it today).
What is next step in getting privs?
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:11 AM, Andrew Svetlov
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 02:36:08 -0500, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
This is a continuation of my answer to Christian
On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Åukasz Langa wrote:
1. Communicate what happened clearly and openly to our community.
I am not sure how broadly you mean 'our community', but
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Andrew Svetlov
andrew.svet...@gmail.com wrote:
I've asked Serhiy about commit access today by email.
He want to be committer.
He agree with getting review for any nontrivial patch before commit
and will follow our rules (as he does it today).
What is next
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:28 AM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
Anatoly has been shaming us publicly for years. We would be much more
polite and rational in any more-public statement made (I trust). We
would still draw fire. That may or may not make us stronger in the
long
Hi,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
FWIW, I agree 100% with Terry here. I'm certainly annoyed by many of
Anatoly's
contributions, and find myself extremely unwilling to do anything about his
perceived issues, but to exclude a community member publicly
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote:
That said, ISTM that the main problem is that the way he communicates is not
really effective and that results in an energy drain for other people.
This can be addressed on both the sides.
The community should ignore
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:28 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
As an aside, it has occurred to me that the fundamental problem here is
that we do not feel that Anatoly respects *us*. So it is no wonder that
we are offended and do not respect him.
Agreed. Being a welcoming
Dnia 26 gru 2012 o godz. 15:09 Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com napisał(a):
The community should ignore the tone of the messages or even the messages
themselves and most importantly avoid replies that convey the same negative
feelings. People should be able to recognize when a discussion
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Run through the sections here:
http://docs.python.org/devguide/coredev.html#gaining-commit-privileges
The main one is for Serhiy to send an email with his public SSH key to
hgaccou...@python.org (I believe the folks on
On 26 Dec, 2012, at 16:36, Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Run through the sections here:
http://docs.python.org/devguide/coredev.html#gaining-commit-privileges
The main one is for Serhiy to send an
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:36:46 +0200, Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Run through the sections here:
http://docs.python.org/devguide/coredev.html#gaining-commit-privileges
The main one is for Serhiy to
Ok. Thanks.
Sent to Serhiy link to instructions for next steps
(http://docs.python.org/devguide/coredev.html#gaining-commit-privileges)
as Nick suggested.
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:47 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:36:46 +0200, Andrew Svetlov
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Łukasz Langa luk...@langa.pl wrote:
Dnia 26 gru 2012 o godz. 15:09 Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com
napisał(a):
The community should ignore the tone of the messages or even the
messages themselves and most importantly avoid replies that convey the same
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote:
And a side effect of being welcoming is that you get every kind of people.
Different people have different behaviors and skills. I don't think his
lack of social skills is worse than e.g. the lack of English skills of
No, I never got on Skype with Anatoly. I did write a very frank email and
got the usual response. I don't think I am up to doing anything more about
him. He doesn't bother me that much, I ignore most of his threads. He is a
reviewer and committer on Rietveld and behaves better there.
--Guido
On
People have the entire internet to abuse us (and they do). That's why I
spend as much time as I do explaining *why* various things in Python are
the way they are.
However, we shouldn't have to put up with disrespectful bullshit on our own
communication channels. Those are for us to collaborate on
Le mercredi 26 décembre 2012 à 08:08 -0800, Eli Bendersky a écrit :
At the risk of stating something that I imagine everyone already
knows, this list is itself publicly viewable:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
So in some
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote:
You're wasting your time if you think you will be the one to break
through to him after several people have already talked to him.
Apparently he even got on Skype with Guido about this. People would
*pay* to have that
Hello,
I agree with Brian and Nick. While I don't bother much with Anatoly
anymore (I ignore at least 95% of his postings), I think it is not nice
to let newcomers deal with the cognitive overhead of reading and
appreciating his ramblings.
That said he doesn't need to be banned from *all* of
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:20:06 +0200, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Åukasz Langa luk...@langa.pl wrote:
I don't want to spell out names but I've had more than one discussion at
conferences this year with people _afraid_ to get involved with core
On 12/26/2012 06:17 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote:
At the risk of stating something that I imagine everyone already
knows, this list is itself publicly viewable:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
So in some sense what
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:54:01 +0100, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Le mercredi 26 décembre 2012 à 08:08 -0800, Eli Bendersky a écrit :
At the risk of stating something that I imagine everyone already
knows, this list is itself publicly viewable:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:56:54 +0200, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote:
You're wasting your time if you think you will be the one to break
through to him after several people have already talked to him.
Le mercredi 26 décembre 2012 à 18:38 +0100, Georg Brandl a écrit :
The SSH key is added; tracker privileges were already given.
Welcome Serhiy!
Welcome indeed (und fröhlich Weihnachten)!
Regards
Antoine.
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середа 26 грудень 2012 19:44:34 Eli Bendersky ви написали:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
The SSH key is added; tracker privileges were already given.
Welcome Serhiy!
Yes, welcome!
Serhiy, if you haven't already done so, please subscribe to
On 12/26/2012 1:00 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
середа 26 грудень 2012 19:44:34 Eli Bendersky ви написали:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
The SSH key is added; tracker privileges were already given.
Welcome Serhiy!
Yes, welcome!
Serhiy, if you haven't
Wiadomość napisana przez Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com w dniu 26 gru
2012, o godz. 17:56:
At the end he thanked me for bringing this up with him, and apparently he is
willing to improve.
Full disclosure: I'm not buying it.
But I'd *love* to be proven wrong and am willing to give him
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:28 AM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
I'm seriously considering writing all this as a PEP (most likely
without any personal details). I hope this won't be useful in the
future but it might help having this
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:37 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.comwrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:20:06 +0200, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Łukasz Langa luk...@langa.pl wrote:
I don't want to spell out names but I've had more than one
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On 26/12/12 17:38, Brian Curtin wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Ezio Melotti
ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote:
And a side effect of being welcoming is that you get every kind
of people. Different people have different behaviors and skills.
I
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