Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/12/13 00:22, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Like many other systems, Zope and Plone only support a few Python > versions for each release. If you want to upgrade to later Python > versions, you have to upgrade to newer Zope and Plone versions as > well.

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/12/13 18:19, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> Define "sunset" :) > > A romantic evening with the bsddb module perhaps? Then we tie it to > a weakref and throw it in the ocean. bsddb, Glup! :-). I can't attend the summit, but I would like to discuss DT

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 5 Dec 2013 09:04, "Brian Curtin" wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> >> On 04.12.2013 21:28, Eli Bendersky wrote: >> > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> > >> >> On 04.12.2013 20:07, Benjamin Peterson wrote: >> >>> 2013/12/4 Barry Warsaw :

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 05.12.2013 00:03, Brian Curtin wrote: > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>> Can you clarify on some specific interesting cases you ran into? >> >> One example is users stuck on e.g. Zope 2.10 or Plone 3.3 (or even >> earlier). They cannot upgrade because they are using cust

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 04.12.2013 21:28, Eli Bendersky wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > > >> On 04.12.2013 20:07, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > >>> 2013/12/4 Barry Warsaw : > On Dec 04, 2013, at 07:15 PM, Antoine Pitrou wro

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread David Malcolm
On Wed, 2013-12-04 at 12:28 -0800, Eli Bendersky wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 04.12.2013 20:07, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > > 2013/12/4 Barry Warsaw : > >> On Dec 04, 2013, at 07:15 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > >> >

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2013/12/4 Christian Heimes : > Am 04.12.2013 20:07, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: >> FWIW, the current plan is to have the last normal release in 2015 >> and security releases "indefinitely" (2020 or something like >> that). > > Can we make an exception for platform support, e.g. compatibility > fixes

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Christian Heimes
Am 04.12.2013 20:07, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: > FWIW, the current plan is to have the last normal release in 2015 > and security releases "indefinitely" (2020 or something like > that). Can we make an exception for platform support, e.g. compatibility fixes with new compiler or library versions?

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 04.12.2013 21:28, Eli Bendersky wrote: > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> On 04.12.2013 20:07, Benjamin Peterson wrote: >>> 2013/12/4 Barry Warsaw : On Dec 04, 2013, at 07:15 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > As for the question, I think we should wait at leas

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Eli Bendersky
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 04.12.2013 20:07, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > > 2013/12/4 Barry Warsaw : > >> On Dec 04, 2013, at 07:15 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > >> > >>> As for the question, I think we should wait at least two or three years > >>> before "sunsetting"

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 04.12.2013 20:07, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2013/12/4 Barry Warsaw : >> On Dec 04, 2013, at 07:15 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> >>> As for the question, I think we should wait at least two or three years >>> before "sunsetting" 2.7. >> >> I've been thinking we should move Python 2.7 to security-

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2013/12/4 Barry Warsaw : > On Dec 04, 2013, at 07:15 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > >>As for the question, I think we should wait at least two or three years >>before "sunsetting" 2.7. > > I've been thinking we should move Python 2.7 to security-fix only around the > Python 3.5 time frame, with a coup

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Dec 04, 2013, at 07:15 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >As for the question, I think we should wait at least two or three years >before "sunsetting" 2.7. I've been thinking we should move Python 2.7 to security-fix only around the Python 3.5 time frame, with a couple more years of promised security

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Christian Heimes
Am 04.12.2013 19:14, schrieb Michael Foord: > > On 4 Dec 2013, at 18:13, Christian Heimes > wrote: > >> Am 04.12.2013 19:01, schrieb Michael Foord: I've added it to the agenda with your name... As my name is being attached to a discussion of ending the development of Python

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On mer., 2013-12-04 at 18:19 +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On mer., 2013-12-04 at 09:11 -0800, Eli Bendersky wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > Summit topic: when are we going to sunset Python 2.7? > > > > > > > > > > Defi

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Michael Foord
On 4 Dec 2013, at 18:13, Christian Heimes wrote: > Am 04.12.2013 19:01, schrieb Michael Foord: >>> I've added it to the agenda with your name... >>> >>> As my name is being attached to a discussion of ending the >>> development of Python 2, will there be a place for people to >>> check their pi

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Christian Heimes
Am 04.12.2013 19:01, schrieb Michael Foord: >> I've added it to the agenda with your name... >> >> As my name is being attached to a discussion of ending the >> development of Python 2, will there be a place for people to >> check their pitchforks at the door? =) >> > > On the contrary, I think

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Zachary Ware
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Michael Foord wrote: > Hello all, > > As with previous years we will be having a Language Summit at PyCon North > America, in Montreal. The summit will be on Wednesday 9th April and running > from approximately 10am to 4pm. > > As Python committers you're invited,

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Michael Foord
On 4 Dec 2013, at 18:01, Zachary Ware wrote: > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Michael Foord > wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> As with previous years we will be having a Language Summit at PyCon North >> America, in Montreal. The summit will be on Wednesday 9th April and running >> from approxim

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Michael Foord
On 4 Dec 2013, at 17:48, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Michael Foord > wrote: > > On 4 Dec 2013, at 14:26, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > Summit topic: when are we going to sunset Python 2.7? > > > > I've added it to the agenda with your name... > > As my name

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > > On 4 Dec 2013, at 14:26, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > Summit topic: when are we going to sunset Python 2.7? > > > > I've added it to the agenda with your name... > As my name is being attached to a discussion of ending the development of Pyt

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Michael Foord
On 4 Dec 2013, at 14:26, Brett Cannon wrote: > Summit topic: when are we going to sunset Python 2.7? > I've added it to the agenda with your name... Thanks, Michael > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Michael Foord > wrote: > Hello all, > > As with previous years we will be having a La

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > >> Summit topic: when are we going to sunset Python 2.7? >> >> > Define "sunset" :) > Stop supporting/EOL. -Brett > > Eli > > >> >> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Michael Foor

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On mer., 2013-12-04 at 09:11 -0800, Eli Bendersky wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > Summit topic: when are we going to sunset Python 2.7? > > > > > Define "sunset" :) A romantic evening with the bsddb module perhaps? Then we tie i

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Eli Bendersky
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > Summit topic: when are we going to sunset Python 2.7? > > Define "sunset" :) Eli > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Michael Foord wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> As with previous years we will be having a Language Summit at PyCon North >> Ame

Re: [python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Brett Cannon
Summit topic: when are we going to sunset Python 2.7? On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Michael Foord wrote: > Hello all, > > As with previous years we will be having a Language Summit at PyCon North > America, in Montreal. The summit will be on Wednesday 9th April and running > from approximately

[python-committers] PyCon Language Summit: Wednesday 9th April

2013-12-04 Thread Michael Foord
Hello all, As with previous years we will be having a Language Summit at PyCon North America, in Montreal. The summit will be on Wednesday 9th April and running from approximately 10am to 4pm. As Python committers you're invited, but please respond if you're attending so I can track numbers. W