Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-15 Thread Tim Peters
[Chris Jerdonek] > I don’t think we should assume that a stalemate would be okay in all > cases. There may be cases in which a decision has to be made (e.g. if > nothing changes, bad things will happen). I think one of the most important > roles a BDFL serves is to provide a mechanism of last reso

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-15 Thread Chris Jerdonek
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 6:07 PM Brett Cannon wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 at 11:37 Tim Peters wrote: > >> [Tim] >> >>> > If there are 3 Elders [snip] >>> >> >> [Łukasz Langa] >> >> It looks like the number 3 is popular in this context. What makes it so >>> attractive? >>> >> >> Likely because it

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-15 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim] > If they tied, that's fine too. Ties favor the status quo (same as if the >> proposed change had been rejected). For that reason, I'm not even wedded >> to an odd number. >> > [Brett Cannon] > That's a good point. Since this is typically going to be a yes/no question > instead of an A/B

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-15 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 at 11:37 Tim Peters wrote: > [Tim] > >> > If there are 3 Elders [snip] >> > > [Łukasz Langa] > > It looks like the number 3 is popular in this context. What makes it so >> attractive? >> > > Likely because it was the first specific non-insane number someone > mentioned. It he

[python-committers] Summarizing our discussion about Governance

2018-07-15 Thread Carol Willing
Hi folks, There have been lots of good comments the past few days. For those who are interested, I've compiled a Markdown document that pulls out and summarizes many comments. The document builds around the questions/issues that Guido posed in his message. We've been using Hackmd for collabo

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-15 Thread Guido van Rossum
I’m still here, but I would like to be out of the debate and out of the decision loop. I’m also still President of the PSF. But this is not for the PSF to decide. You all are doing fine. —Guido On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 1:37 PM Brett Cannon wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 13:01 Thomas Wouters,

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-15 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 13:01 Thomas Wouters, wrote: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM Yury Selivanov > wrote: > >> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:07 PM Brett Cannon wrote: >> [..] >> >> Ideally Guido would accept the PEP but I'm not sure if he is willing >> to. If that is indeed the case then how sh

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-15 Thread Thomas Wouters
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM Yury Selivanov wrote: > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:07 PM Brett Cannon wrote: > [..] > >> Ideally Guido would accept the PEP but I'm not sure if he is willing > to. If that is indeed the case then how should this be done so that the > document is universally accept

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 14, 2018, at 00:16, Łukasz Langa wrote: > Taking a step back, before we talk names, term limits and even numbers of > council members, Python needs a "constitution" which will codify what the > council is and how it functions. Barry calls it PEP 2 but I'd like to > understand who is sup