Re: [python-committers] GOVERNANCE VOTE SCHEDULE UPDATE: Dec 1 - Dec 16 2018

2018-11-15 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/15/2018 6:47 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote: Thank you to everybody who voiced concern that the originally planned voting schedule of Nov 16 - Nov 30 was rushed. In the interest of ensuring everybody feels included, as well as to allow time for PEP 801x review and clarifications, Barry Warsaw

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-15 Thread Victor Stinner
Le jeu. 15 nov. 2018 à 23:51, Paul Moore a écrit : > No, I'm uncomfortable with the discussion period overlapping the > voting period, because the fact that you can't change your vote means > that once someone votes, there's no incentive to continue discussing. > But I accept that it's how it's

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-15 Thread Paul Moore
On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 18:55, Brett Cannon wrote: > OK, so it seems you're unhappy that you only have a day to vote since you > can't change your vote ... [...] > ... but then you don't like that people can vote over two weeks because you > don't want discussions to occur while people can vote

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-15 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 15.11.2018 19:39, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Based on my suggestion on Discourse, I propose that the period between > tomorrow and November 30th be an official PEP review period, with voting > postponed to December 1 - 16 AOE 2018. > > https://github.com/python/peps/pull/841 > > I am personally

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-15 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 15.11.2018 19:55, Brett Cannon wrote: > > It seems like we're completely skipping the review phase of the > regular PEP process and going straight from PEP writing to > a vote: > > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0001/#id38 > > which is odd given the importance of

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-15 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 05:09, Paul Moore wrote: > On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 12:55, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > > > I find it rather unusual that we are pushed to vote on PEPs > > which will just have been finished in writing tonight. > > > > Shouldn't people who were not involved in the individual

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
Based on my suggestion on Discourse, I propose that the period between tomorrow and November 30th be an official PEP review period, with voting postponed to December 1 - 16 AOE 2018. https://github.com/python/peps/pull/841 I am personally going to start reviewing these PEPs after the flood of

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-15 Thread Mariatta Wijaya
> > Shouldn't people who were not involved in the individual creation > processes at least get two weeks to review the final work > to make up their mind before entering a voting period ? > It seems like we're completely skipping the review phase of the > regular PEP process and going straight

[python-committers] Straw poll: Which governance proposals do you like best?

2018-11-15 Thread Nathaniel Smith
There's been a lot of clarification and critique for individual governance proposals, but not a lot of discussion of how they compare to each other or what different core devs think is important. And I know that for complicated issues like this, I often don't understand the trade-offs until I talk

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-15 Thread Paul Moore
On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 12:55, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > I find it rather unusual that we are pushed to vote on PEPs > which will just have been finished in writing tonight. > > Shouldn't people who were not involved in the individual creation > processes at least get two weeks to review the final

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-15 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
I find it rather unusual that we are pushed to vote on PEPs which will just have been finished in writing tonight. Shouldn't people who were not involved in the individual creation processes at least get two weeks to review the final work to make up their mind before entering a voting period ?

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

2018-11-15 Thread Victor Stinner
Le sam. 3 nov. 2018 à 03:37, Victor Stinner a écrit : > According to the PEP 8001: "The vote will happen in a 2-week-long > window from November 16 2018 to November 30 (Anywhere-on-Earth)." It's > now in less than two weeks. It seems like the vote is going to start tomorrow, but see discussions

Re: [python-committers] PEP 8015: Organization of the Python community

2018-11-15 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, Since October 8, we had many productive discussions on governance PEPs and I made multiple changes to my PEP 8015. See the "Version History" at the end. The latest (I hope the *last*) change is that the Steering Committee is now made of 5 people instead of 3, there are no term limits (instead