Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-19 Thread Stefan Krah
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:24:17AM +0200, Victor Stinner wrote: > On of the reason which motivated Facebook and Instagram to migrate > from Python 2.7 directly to 3.5 was to get the new async and await > keywords. So new syntaxes can be the new "killer feature" of a > specific Python release, at le

Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-19 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, 19 Jul 2018 at 11:04 Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jul 19, 2018, at 08:41, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > > Then we would have to solve our governance problem sooner rather than > later. But i don't think every Python release has to make a huge splash. > > The other option of course is to push the

Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-19 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 19/07/2018 à 20:03, Barry Warsaw a écrit : > > If PEP 572 were the only new syntax for 3.8, then so be it. +1. Which means that: > The other option of course is to push the release date of Python 3.8 > back to accommodate the new governance structure. is basically unnecessary ;-) Regards

Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 19, 2018, at 08:41, Brett Cannon wrote: > > Then we would have to solve our governance problem sooner rather than later. > But i don't think every Python release has to make a huge splash. The other option of course is to push the release date of Python 3.8 back to accommodate the new g

Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-19 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 01:24 Victor Stinner, wrote: > Hi, > > 2018-07-18 18:11 GMT+02:00 Stefan Krah : > > Perhaps we could have one again, say for 12 months so we can figure > things > > out. Other Python implementations may welcome the moratorium so they can > > catch up. > > Python 3.8 has a ne

Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-19 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, 2018-07-18 18:11 GMT+02:00 Stefan Krah : > Perhaps we could have one again, say for 12 months so we can figure things > out. Other Python implementations may welcome the moratorium so they can > catch up. Python 3.8 has a new syntax for assignment expressions (PEP 572). A moratorium of 12 mon

Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-18 Thread Tim Peters
[Barry] > I agree that we’ll effectively have language moratorium until we have a > new governance structure. Unsure! Governance is needed to resolve conflict. When there's broad agreement, "leaders" aren't really needed. For example, there's been a bit of talk on python-ideas about adding a

Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 09:32 Mariatta Wijaya, wrote: > There is a de facto moratorium for the time being until a new governance >> model is chosen. Let's not formalize anything beyond that. > > > I agree. > Same here. -Brett > Mariatta > > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:24 AM Łukasz Langa wrote:

Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-18 Thread Stefan Krah
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:47:22AM -0700, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jul 18, 2018, at 09:11, Stefan Krah wrote: > > > if I remember correctly, we had a moratorium for language changes around > > versions 3.2-3.3. I think during that time relatively few BDFL-level > > decisions were required. > >

Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-18 Thread Christian Heimes
On 2018-07-18 20:47, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jul 18, 2018, at 09:11, Stefan Krah wrote: > >> if I remember correctly, we had a moratorium for language changes around >> versions 3.2-3.3. I think during that time relatively few BDFL-level >> decisions were required. >> >> Perhaps we could have o

Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-18 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 18/07/2018 à 20:47, Barry Warsaw a écrit : > On Jul 18, 2018, at 09:11, Stefan Krah wrote: > >> if I remember correctly, we had a moratorium for language changes around >> versions 3.2-3.3. I think during that time relatively few BDFL-level >> decisions were required. >> >> Perhaps we could

Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jul 18, 2018, at 09:11, Stefan Krah wrote: > if I remember correctly, we had a moratorium for language changes around > versions 3.2-3.3. I think during that time relatively few BDFL-level > decisions were required. > > Perhaps we could have one again, say for 12 months so we can figure thin

Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-18 Thread Mariatta Wijaya
> > There is a de facto moratorium for the time being until a new governance > model is chosen. Let's not formalize anything beyond that. I agree. Mariatta On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:24 AM Łukasz Langa wrote: > There is a de facto moratorium for the time being until a new governance > model i

Re: [python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-18 Thread Łukasz Langa
There is a de facto moratorium for the time being until a new governance model is chosen. Let's not formalize anything beyond that. -- Best regards, Łukasz Langa > On Jul 18, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Stefan Krah wrote: > > > Hi, > > if I remember correctly, we had a moratorium for language change

[python-committers] Language moratorium

2018-07-18 Thread Stefan Krah
Hi, if I remember correctly, we had a moratorium for language changes around versions 3.2-3.3. I think during that time relatively few BDFL-level decisions were required. Perhaps we could have one again, say for 12 months so we can figure things out. Other Python implementations may welcome th