Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-26 Thread Ezio Melotti
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Brett wrote: >>> Of course, we've talked about doing something like this before, it's >>> just never irritated anyone enough for them to sit down and *write* >>> the associated NEWS file generator, or the code to split the existing >>> NEW

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-26 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On May 26, 2013 1:15 PM, "Brett Cannon" wrote: > > > On May 25, 2013 9:18 PM, "Nick Coghlan" wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > >> The NEWS update script could even use the revision history to decide > > >> which order to add entries to the bulleted list. > >

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-26 Thread Brett Cannon
On May 25, 2013 9:18 PM, "Nick Coghlan" wrote: > > On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > >> The NEWS update script could even use the revision history to decide > >> which order to add entries to the bulleted list. > > > > I think the annoyance with this approach is you will have

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: >> The NEWS update script could even use the revision history to decide >> which order to add entries to the bulleted list. > > I think the annoyance with this approach is you will have to remember > to add a file every time you do anything wort

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Gregory P. Smith wrote: >> I like where you're heading with this but it still leaves merges during >> Spruits and when a few people are working at once by putting stuff in a >> single file. I don't know if s

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Gregory P. Smith wrote: > I like where you're heading with this but it still leaves merges during > Spruits and when a few people are working at once by putting stuff in a > single file. > > Per news item / per issue files for each release that are riled up into th

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On May 25, 2013 8:29 AM, "Gregory P. Smith" wrote: > > > On May 25, 2013 1:40 AM, "Nick Coghlan" wrote: > > > > On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Eric Snow wrote: > > > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Raymond Hettinger > > > wrote: > > >> and it recognizes that users don't really need to look a

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On May 25, 2013 1:40 AM, "Nick Coghlan" wrote: > > On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Eric Snow wrote: > > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Raymond Hettinger > > wrote: > >> and it recognizes that users don't really need to look across merge > >> boundaries. > > > > This is tricky though for any p

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> The 3.3 branch layout would look like this: >> >> NEWS.next/ >> 3.3.txt # Categorised changes > > Categorized how? E.g. Core,Lib,Docs, etc.? Or "3.3 only", "3.3 and 3.4"? J

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Eric Snow > wrote: >> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Raymond Hettinger >> wrote: >>> and it recognizes that users don't really need to look across merge >>> boundaries. >> >> This is tricky though for any

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Eric Snow wrote: > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Raymond Hettinger > wrote: >> and it recognizes that users don't really need to look across merge >> boundaries. > > This is tricky though for any patch that is forward-ported to a > release branch (a la 3.2->3.3

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Eric Snow
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > and it recognizes that users don't really need to look across merge > boundaries. This is tricky though for any patch that is forward-ported to a release branch (a la 3.2->3.3). How can you tell from MISC/News in which release (e.g. 3.3

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On May 24, 2013, at 7:09 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > I think that's overly complicated. I don't see why we need anything > more than simply NEWS/3.4, NEWS/3.3, etc. and just split the files per > feature release since that's the interest (and merge) boundary. +1 from me. This is a straight-forwa

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 25 May 2013 13:05, "R. David Murray" wrote: > > On Fri, 24 May 2013 15:16:24 -0600, "Gregory P. Smith" wrote: > > On May 24, 2013 2:55 PM, "Antoine Pitrou" wrote: > > > > > > Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 16:22 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand why it's painful

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 24 May 2013 15:16:24 -0600, "Gregory P. Smith" wrote: > On May 24, 2013 2:55 PM, "Antoine Pitrou" wrote: > > > > Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 16:22 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : > > > > > > > > I don't understand why it's painful to backport. Can you explain? > > > > > > If I make a very m

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On May 24, 2013 2:55 PM, "Antoine Pitrou" wrote: > > Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 16:22 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : > > > > > > I don't understand why it's painful to backport. Can you explain? > > > > If I make a very minor fix to the docs I have to: > > > > # In a 3.3 checkout > > Fix docs > > Co

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On May 24, 2013 2:26 PM, "Benjamin Peterson" wrote: > > 2013/5/24 Brett Cannon : > > It's an extreme example, but for instance I added an entry for this > > sys.modules change where I just added a clarifying sentence. Probably > > not needed but wanted to make sure that people got the message they

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 16:22 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : > > > > I don't understand why it's painful to backport. Can you explain? > > If I make a very minor fix to the docs I have to: > > # In a 3.3 checkout > Fix docs > Compile docs > Add Misc/NEWS entry > hg ci -m "repeat what I just said

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Terry Reedy
Another replay that did not show up on list. On 5/24/2013 9:00 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: would be great. And maybe it's finally time to bite the bullet and come up with some way to automatically generate Misc/NEWS from commit messages. No, c

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2013/5/24 Brett Cannon : > It's an extreme example, but for instance I added an entry for this > sys.modules change where I just added a clarifying sentence. Probably > not needed but wanted to make sure that people got the message they > shouldn't replace sys.modules. Does anybody actually ready

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Terry Reedy
Trying again, as my response 2 hours ago never showed up On 5/24/2013 8:24 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: I was trying to do a simple merge of a doc change between 3.3 and default and the usual Misc/NEWS conflict came up. I have had things like this happen and after pain iwth kdiff3 just edited the de

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:18 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > On Fri, 24 May 2013 15:26:29 -0400, Brett Cannon wrote: >> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> > Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 14:23 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : >> >> > You'll have to copy stuff by hand, though, if you

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 15:26 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : >> >> Either way the status quo makes me not want to fix small doc typos >> >> like a missing parenthesis since this is enough of a hassle to not >> >> make it worth it. >> > >> >

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 24 May 2013 15:26:29 -0400, Brett Cannon wrote: > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 14:23 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : > >> > You'll have to copy stuff by hand, though, if you don't want to rely on > >> > the > >> > merge machinery. S

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/24/2013 9:00 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: would be great. And maybe it's finally time to bite the bullet and come up with some way to automatically generate Misc/NEWS from commit messages. No, commit messages do not a NEWS file make. They

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 15:26 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : > >> Either way the status quo makes me not want to fix small doc typos > >> like a missing parenthesis since this is enough of a hassle to not > >> make it worth it. > > > > Do you mean Mics/NEWS doc typos? > > No I mean typos in the d

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 14:23 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : >> > You'll have to copy stuff by hand, though, if you don't want to rely on the >> > merge machinery. So we have two possible file layouts: >> > >> > * (current) a single Misc/NE

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 14:23 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : > > You'll have to copy stuff by hand, though, if you don't want to rely on the > > merge machinery. So we have two possible file layouts: > > > > * (current) a single Misc/NEWS is merged from branch to branch. Pro: hg > > merge > > cop

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Brett wrote: >>> Of course, we've talked about doing something like this before, it's >>> just never irritated anyone enough for them to sit down and *write* >>> the associated NEWS file generator, or the code to split the existing >>> NE

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/24/2013 8:24 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: I was trying to do a simple merge of a doc change between 3.3 and default and the usual Misc/NEWS conflict came up. I have had things like this happen and after pain iwth kdiff3 just edited the default version But when I looked at the diff it was mass

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 24 May 2013 18:39:16 +0200, "Antoine Pitrou" wrote: > Brett wrote: > >> Of course, we've talked about doing something like this before, it's > >> just never irritated anyone enough for them to sit down and *write* > >> the associated NEWS file generator, or the code to split the existing

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Brett wrote: >> Of course, we've talked about doing something like this before, it's >> just never irritated anyone enough for them to sit down and *write* >> the associated NEWS file generator, or the code to split the existing >> NEWS file for the active branches :) > > I think that's overly com

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: >> I was trying to do a simple merge of a doc change between 3.3 and >> default and the usual Misc/NEWS conflict came up. But when I looked at >> the diff it was massive! Turns out that Mi

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
24.05.13 15:24, Brett Cannon написав(ла): I was trying to do a simple merge of a doc change between 3.3 and default and the usual Misc/NEWS conflict came up. But when I looked at the diff it was massive! Turns out that Misc/NEWS in default goes from 3.3.1rc1 to 3.4.0a1 (http://hg.python.org/cpyth

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > I was trying to do a simple merge of a doc change between 3.3 and > default and the usual Misc/NEWS conflict came up. But when I looked at > the diff it was massive! Turns out that Misc/NEWS in default goes from > 3.3.1rc1 to 3.4.0a1 > (http:

[python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Brett Cannon
I was trying to do a simple merge of a doc change between 3.3 and default and the usual Misc/NEWS conflict came up. But when I looked at the diff it was massive! Turns out that Misc/NEWS in default goes from 3.3.1rc1 to 3.4.0a1 (http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/24ffb0148729/Misc/NEWS) while Misc/N