Re: [python-committers] Making the PSF CoC apply to core developers

2016-02-29 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 at 23:15 Georg Brandl wrote: > On 02/28/2016 10:25 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016, 12:02 Georg Brandl > > wrote: > > > > On 02/28/2016 08:10 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > > > Can *anyone* take it upon themselves t

Re: [python-committers] Making the PSF CoC apply to core developers

2016-02-29 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 29.02.2016 18:38, Brett Cannon wrote: > ... If we > happen to be at a meetup or conference that has not implemented a CoC that > shouldn't give us an excuse as esteemed representatives of this language > and community to be lax in our behaviour since how we act as core devs is > probably amplifi

Re: [python-committers] Making the PSF CoC apply to core developers

2016-02-29 Thread Ethan Furman
On 02/29/2016 12:09 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: This is the part about all this CoC talk I never understand. Why on earth would someone change their regular behavior when "at a meetup or conference that has not implemented a CoC" ? Sadly, there are plenty of people who act wildly differently depe

Re: [python-committers] Making the PSF CoC apply to core developers

2016-02-29 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 at 12:10 M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 29.02.2016 18:38, Brett Cannon wrote: > > ... If we > > happen to be at a meetup or conference that has not implemented a CoC > that > > shouldn't give us an excuse as esteemed representatives of this language > > and community to be lax in o

Re: [python-committers] Making the PSF CoC apply to core developers

2016-02-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 07:10:18PM +, Brett Cannon wrote: > On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 at 18:33 Steven D'Aprano wrote: [...] > > You could have, should > > have, waited a few days before seemingly ramming this policy change in > > behind people's backs. > > Steven, I didn't try to sneak this past a

Re: [python-committers] Making the PSF CoC apply to core developers

2016-02-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 03:11:25PM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 28 February 2016 at 12:27, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > Nobody *has* to tolerate jerks, especially on an email forum. Just > > filter their emails into the trash. > > This approach means every *future* participant in that community

Re: [python-committers] Making the PSF CoC apply to core developers

2016-02-29 Thread Ethan Furman
On 02/29/2016 06:00 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I have worked in a team where managers would apply policy changes that affected the entire team (including other managers) without a period of consultation, and it is toxic behaviour. It breeds resentment and a feeling of being pushed into the outer

Re: [python-committers] Making the PSF CoC apply to core developers

2016-02-29 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 at 18:01 Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 03:11:25PM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > On 28 February 2016 at 12:27, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: > > > Nobody *has* to tolerate jerks, especially on an email forum. Just > > > filter their emails into the trash. > > >