Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
[I think my other response got dropped, so apologies for any duplicates] Guido van Rossum wrote: > I wonder if it would make sense to require that for each PEP a new GitHub > *repo* be created whose contents would just be a draft PEP and whose issue > tracker and PR manager would be used to debate

Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-22 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 22/05/2018 à 20:58, Barry Warsaw a écrit : > >> Thoughts? (We can dogfood this proposal too, if there's interest. :-) > > I don't know whether this will help focus rambling PEP discussions. I > personally don't love the linearity of GH comments. Threading is useful! What has become of the

Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-22 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > [I think my other response got dropped, so apologies for any duplicates] > > Guido van Rossum wrote: > > I wonder if it would make sense to require that for each PEP a new GitHub > > *repo* be created whose contents would just be a draft PEP

Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-22 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, 2018-05-19 7:45 GMT+02:00 Antoine Pitrou : > It would be *very* interesting if someone was willing to do some stats > on PEPs over time: e.g. number of PEPs discussed every year, discussion > length, number of discusssion participants. I actually expect overall > PEP activity to have gone dow

Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-22 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, 22 May 2018 at 12:07 Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Le 22/05/2018 à 20:58, Barry Warsaw a écrit : > > > >> Thoughts? (We can dogfood this proposal too, if there's interest. :-) > > > > I don't know whether this will help focus rambling PEP discussions. I > personally don't love the linearity

Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-22 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 22/05/2018 à 22:06, Brett Cannon a écrit : > > > On Tue, 22 May 2018 at 12:07 Antoine Pitrou > wrote: > > > Le 22/05/2018 à 20:58, Barry Warsaw a écrit : > > > >> Thoughts? (We can dogfood this proposal too, if there's interest. :-) > > > > I

Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-22 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 22, 2018, at 12:44, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > Hm, what's the cost of those extra repos? As long as they have consistent > names (e.g. pep-1234) they're easy to ignore right? Or does GitHub have a > quota of repos per org? I think there is a quota for non-paying organizations, but I’m

Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-22 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, 2018-05-19 0:25 GMT+02:00 Guido van Rossum : > Discussing PEPs on python-dev and python-ideas is clearly not scalable any > more. (Even python-committers probably doesn't scale too well. :-) > > I wonder if it would make sense to require that for each PEP a new GitHub > *repo* be created whose

Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-22 Thread Donald Stufft
> On May 22, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > IMHO the discussions on the PEP 572 became a mess because nobody > wanted to moderate the discussion. I asked on python-committers how to > calm down the discussion, but no action has been taken and the flow of > emails didn't stop. FWIW,

Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-22 Thread Victor Stinner
2018-05-22 23:58 GMT+02:00 Donald Stufft : > FWIW, I think this is a key thing— Mailing lists are not easily moderatable. > There’s no way to pause discussion, redirect, etc besides generating *more* > email (and the tooling to do it is lackluster, it’s pretty much just asking > people to do someth

Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-22 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > 2018-05-19 0:25 GMT+02:00 Guido van Rossum : > > Discussing PEPs on python-dev and python-ideas is clearly not scalable > any > > more. (Even python-committers probably doesn't scale too well. :-) > > > > I wonder if it would make sense to

Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-22 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 05:58:39PM -0400, Donald Stufft wrote: > > > On May 22, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > > > IMHO the discussions on the PEP 572 became a mess because nobody > > wanted to moderate the discussion. I asked on python-committers how to > > calm down the discussion

Re: [python-committers] A different way to focus discussions

2018-05-22 Thread Carol Willing
> On May 22, 2018, at 5:21 PM, Guido van Rossum > wrote: > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Victor Stinner > wrote: > 2018-05-19 0:25 GMT+02:00 Guido van Rossum >: > > Discussing PEPs on python-dev and python-idea