Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-26 Thread Brett Cannon
On May 25, 2013 9:18 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: The NEWS update script could even use the revision history to decide which order to add entries to the bulleted list. I think the annoyance with this

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-26 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On May 26, 2013 1:15 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: On May 25, 2013 9:18 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: The NEWS update script could even use the revision history to decide which order to add

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-26 Thread Ezio Melotti
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Brett wrote: Of course, we've talked about doing something like this before, it's just never irritated anyone enough for them to sit down and *write* the associated NEWS file generator, or the code to split the

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Eric Snow ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Raymond Hettinger raymond.hettin...@gmail.com wrote: and it recognizes that users don't really need to look across merge boundaries. This is tricky though for any patch that is

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Eric Snow ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Raymond Hettinger raymond.hettin...@gmail.com wrote: and it recognizes that users don't really need to look

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: The 3.3 branch layout would look like this: NEWS.next/ 3.3.txt # Categorised changes Categorized how? E.g. Core,Lib,Docs, etc.? Or 3.3

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On May 25, 2013 1:40 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Eric Snow ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Raymond Hettinger raymond.hettin...@gmail.com wrote: and it recognizes that users don't really need to look across

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On May 25, 2013 8:29 AM, Gregory P. Smith g...@krypto.org wrote: On May 25, 2013 1:40 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Eric Snow ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Raymond Hettinger raymond.hettin...@gmail.com

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-25 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: The NEWS update script could even use the revision history to decide which order to add entries to the bulleted list. I think the annoyance with this approach is you will have to remember to add a file every time you do

[python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Brett Cannon
I was trying to do a simple merge of a doc change between 3.3 and default and the usual Misc/NEWS conflict came up. But when I looked at the diff it was massive! Turns out that Misc/NEWS in default goes from 3.3.1rc1 to 3.4.0a1 (http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/24ffb0148729/Misc/NEWS) while

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: I was trying to do a simple merge of a doc change between 3.3 and default and the usual Misc/NEWS conflict came up. But when I looked at the diff it was massive! Turns out that Misc/NEWS in default goes from 3.3.1rc1 to

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
24.05.13 15:24, Brett Cannon написав(ла): I was trying to do a simple merge of a doc change between 3.3 and default and the usual Misc/NEWS conflict came up. But when I looked at the diff it was massive! Turns out that Misc/NEWS in default goes from 3.3.1rc1 to 3.4.0a1

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: I was trying to do a simple merge of a doc change between 3.3 and default and the usual Misc/NEWS conflict came up. But when I looked at the diff it

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Brett wrote: Of course, we've talked about doing something like this before, it's just never irritated anyone enough for them to sit down and *write* the associated NEWS file generator, or the code to split the existing NEWS file for the active branches :) I think that's overly complicated.

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 24 May 2013 18:39:16 +0200, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Brett wrote: Of course, we've talked about doing something like this before, it's just never irritated anyone enough for them to sit down and *write* the associated NEWS file generator, or the code to split the

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/24/2013 8:24 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: I was trying to do a simple merge of a doc change between 3.3 and default and the usual Misc/NEWS conflict came up. I have had things like this happen and after pain iwth kdiff3 just edited the default version But when I looked at the diff it was

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Brett wrote: Of course, we've talked about doing something like this before, it's just never irritated anyone enough for them to sit down and *write* the associated NEWS file generator, or the code to split the

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 14:23 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : You'll have to copy stuff by hand, though, if you don't want to rely on the merge machinery. So we have two possible file layouts: * (current) a single Misc/NEWS is merged from branch to branch. Pro: hg merge copies the

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 14:23 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : You'll have to copy stuff by hand, though, if you don't want to rely on the merge machinery. So we have two possible file layouts: * (current) a single

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 15:26 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : Either way the status quo makes me not want to fix small doc typos like a missing parenthesis since this is enough of a hassle to not make it worth it. Do you mean Mics/NEWS doc typos? No I mean typos in the docs. For

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/24/2013 9:00 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: would be great. And maybe it's finally time to bite the bullet and come up with some way to automatically generate Misc/NEWS from commit messages. No, commit messages do not a NEWS

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 24 May 2013 15:26:29 -0400, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 14:23 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : You'll have to copy stuff by hand, though, if you don't want to rely on the

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 15:26 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : Either way the status quo makes me not want to fix small doc typos like a missing parenthesis since this is enough of a hassle to not make it worth it.

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Terry Reedy
Another replay that did not show up on list. On 5/24/2013 9:00 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: would be great. And maybe it's finally time to bite the bullet and come up with some way to automatically generate Misc/NEWS from commit

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On May 24, 2013 2:26 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: 2013/5/24 Brett Cannon br...@python.org: It's an extreme example, but for instance I added an entry for this sys.modules change where I just added a clarifying sentence. Probably not needed but wanted to make sure that

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 24 May 2013 15:16:24 -0600, Gregory P. Smith g...@krypto.org wrote: On May 24, 2013 2:55 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 16:22 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : I don't understand why it's painful to backport. Can you explain? If I

Re: [python-committers] what's going on with Misc/NEWS?

2013-05-24 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 25 May 2013 13:05, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013 15:16:24 -0600, Gregory P. Smith g...@krypto.org wrote: On May 24, 2013 2:55 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 16:22 -0400, Brett Cannon a écrit : I