Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-16 Thread Brett Cannon
On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 at 19:38 Tim Peters wrote: > [Tim] > >> If they tied, that's fine too. Ties favor the status quo (same as if the >>> proposed change had been rejected). For that reason, I'm not even wedded >>> to an odd number. >>> >> > [Brett Cannon] > >> That's a good point. Since this

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-16 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 at 00:17 Chris Jerdonek wrote: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Tim Peters wrote: > > [Chris Jerdonek] > >> > >> I don’t think we should assume that a stalemate would be okay in all > >> cases. There may be cases in which a decision has to be made (e.g. if > >> nothing

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-16 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim] > > But I'm not sure it's fully appreciated just how active Guido has been > > in those at times. The "accepted/rejected" at the end of major PEPs is > > just a small part of that. Along the way, e.g., it's been pretty common > > to see a "Save your breath. That's not going to happen."

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-16 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 16/07/2018 à 20:05, Tim Peters a écrit : > [Tim] > > > But I'm not sure it's fully appreciated just how active Guido has been > > in those at times.  The "accepted/rejected" at the end of major > PEPs is > > just a small part of that.  Along the way, e.g., it's been pretty >

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-16 Thread Jack Jansen
> On 16-Jul-2018, at 04:38 , Tim Peters wrote: > > Guido's most visible (well, to us committers) BDFL role has been in "yes/no", > "go/nogo" language/library design questions, which don't even overlap with > the PSF's proper concerns. > > But I'm not sure it's fully appreciated just how

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-16 Thread Tim Peters
[Chris Jerdonek] > ... But one case in the back of my mind that may have prompted my reply and that might qualify was when there was a randomness-related >> security issue in the summer of 2016. I believe this is the thread >> that kicked it off (subject line: "BDFL ruling request: should we >>

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-16 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 at 15:21 Jack Jansen wrote: > > > On 16-Jul-2018, at 04:38 , Tim Peters wrote: > > Guido's most visible (well, to us committers) BDFL role has been in > "yes/no", "go/nogo" language/library design questions, which don't even > overlap with the PSF's proper concerns. > > But

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-16 Thread Tim Peters
[Antoine] > I know what python-ideas can be like routinely (I do read it at times). > > I think the general idea of my comment is that the signal-to-noise ratio > on python-ideas is so low that, whether or not Guido had remained BDFL, > we would still have a productivity problem to solve there. >

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-16 Thread Tim Peters
[Chris Jerdonek] > I don’t think we should assume that a stalemate would be okay in all > cases. There may be cases in which a decision has to be made (e.g. if > nothing changes, bad things will happen). I think one of the most important > roles a BDFL serves is to provide a mechanism of last

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-16 Thread Chris Jerdonek
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Tim Peters wrote: > [Chris Jerdonek] >> >> I don’t think we should assume that a stalemate would be okay in all >> cases. There may be cases in which a decision has to be made (e.g. if >> nothing changes, bad things will happen). I think one of the most important

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-16 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 16/07/2018 à 04:38, Tim Peters a écrit : > > But I'm not sure it's fully appreciated just how active Guido has been > in those at times.  The "accepted/rejected" at the end of major PEPs is > just a small part of that.  Along the way, e.g., it's been pretty common > to see a "Save your

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-16 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim] > Guido's most visible (well, to us committers) BDFL role has been in > "yes/no", "go/nogo" language/library design questions, which don't even > overlap with the PSF's proper concerns. > > But I'm not sure it's fully appreciated just how active Guido has been in > those at times. The

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-16 Thread Brett Cannon
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 17:02 Tim Peters, wrote: > [Tim] > >> Guido's most visible (well, to us committers) BDFL role has been in >> "yes/no", "go/nogo" language/library design questions, which don't even >> overlap with the PSF's proper concerns. >> >> But I'm not sure it's fully appreciated just